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i was just reading a thread and they were talking about red and yellow babies and if one grows up better looking than the other.my breeder told me that you cant tell what the adult will look like based on juvie colors and that both reds and yellows grow into good and bad looking animals.is this true or do you have a better shot at a screamer from a red baby?

I'm new to chondros, but reading Greg's book and looking at pictures of everyone's animals, I'd say you can never tell what one's going to come out like until they finish changing. If you know the two parents have established types of offspring, you can generally get an idea of what they'll be like, but often they come out completely different. If you go to Greg Maxwell's site and look at his collection, you can see a lot of them from hathling to adult and see the differences.

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1.0~amel corn~C.S.
1.3~Aztec Okeetee corns~Coatl,Maya,Acatl,Tepin
0.1~Green tree python~Tempest
0.2~Rhodesian Ridgebacks~Akilah, Ona
1.0~Black fat cat~Topper
3.0~Horses~Zaarah,Galliano,Achilles.....

Some people believe this to be true...others believe color affects temperment...it's all just myth though. There's really no way to tell what your chondro will look like when it's an adult and it's color completely changed. Even by looking at the parents and what other offspring ended up like isn't a sure bet at what you can expect. It's one of the joys of chondros...they're like a box of chocolates

Chris

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0.2.0 Grey Rats-Lauren, Avril
1.2.0 Black Rats- Robert, Cady, Kylie
1.2.0 Albino FL Kings-Nick, Jessica, Ashley
1.1.0 Crimson Corns-Kane, Ruby
0.1.0 Het-Crimson Corns-Lola
0.1.0 White-Sided/Pos Het Albino Black Rat-Lita
1.0.0 Albino White-sided Black Rat-Rey
0.1.0 Fl King-Bonnie
1.0.0 Biak GTP-Brandon
1.0.0 Flame X Blood Bearded-Ruff
1.2.0 Ball Pythons-Donnie, Gretchen, Alexis
0.1.0 Red-tail Boa-Xena
0.0.1 Savannah Monitor-Izzy

so i guess you dont agree with this then??i see that reds usually go for more money but i always assumed thats because there are usually less of them and more people want them.even in the complete chondro greg says that reds and yellows make equal looking adults and its no way to judge what an adult will look like.im curious why you feel that reds are an indication that you are going to have a better snake over a yellow?is this your experience or something you have been told?actually at least with blue phase chondros,i have seen quite a few start out as yellows.im really curious about this.for me i agree that this is a myth that has been spread just like many other chondro rumors.i decided to buy mine as a yellow because i didnt feel the need to spend the extra money when i was told its not giving me a better chance of getting a nicer snake.

well let me start off by saying that it makes a difference from line to line... if you are wanting a HY then your best bet is going to be a yellow baby... i dont know of a single true lemon line that has produced red babies and if they did they were an outcross...
as for the red snakes they are bet is looking for blue, or in a calico. the Calico line babies have been the best looking when red, but i dont think any have come out yellow yet...
and back to the blue, a TRUE blue animal is 95% of the time from a red snake... i am not talking hormonal blue like the Aru's do... i am talking REAL blue...

but again it really depends from line to line (refering to designer lines)

Shiloh
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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

yea so assuming youre right,if you want a high yellow,you pick yellow.if you want high blue,you pick red ect ect..so how does this back up your statement that a red snake will give you a better chance of getting a screamer? only if you are looking for a high blue.the kid didnt say anything about high yellow or high blue.he said i heard red neonates create adults with more intricate patterns.everyone else but you i think will agree that this is an incorrect assumption.

man i was just stating an answer... i was trying to explain what the difference was so i could better answer the question...

my definition of a screamer is a blue snake... and as i stated i was refering to designer snakes not normal or outcross...

Shiloh
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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

I'll be so bold as to say blue chondros 100% of time start off as maroon (so far).

You can get a high yellow from a maroon baby. This was not the case 5 years ago. Now its quite the norm.

There is a reason why people prefer red babys - It's because of the long drawn out color change, as you will see the broad spectrum of colors not just the shift from yellow to green witht he baby pattern fading or turning blue (lets exclude the paradox and HZ animals). However, this is mainly seen in designer animals. As alot of your green x green crosses will go from a maroon to a maroon/brown then to green.

Here are some shots of marron babies that are rounding off their color change... As you can see its a much more drawn out process.

Calico and OS/Lemon x Biak

Blue x Dream

thank you ,my point exactly.i stated,in responce to the posters question,that both reds and yellows can make equally nice adults and color as neonated does not make an adult with more intricate color patterns.yes,high blues start as red babies but that was not at all what the poster asked.he stated that he heard that reds make nicer adults period.it was also my comment that many breeders keep the reds because they make more interesting changlings(just as you stated).someone stated that my post was wrong and uninformed.at least i now have 3 people that see it my way.

From my post above * There's really no way to tell what your chondro will look like when it's an adult and it's color completely changed. Even by looking at the parents and what other offspring ended up like isn't a sure bet at what you can expect. It's one of the joys of chondros...they're like a box of chocolates *

So what were you talkin about? I was saying there is no way to tell based on juvi-color. And my statement of "some people believe red to be better" kings goes hand-in-hand with some breeders charging more for red babies....*confused*
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0.2.0 Grey Rats-Lauren, Avril
1.2.0 Black Rats- Robert, Cady, Kylie
1.2.0 Albino FL Kings-Nick, Jessica, Ashley
1.1.0 Crimson Corns-Kane, Ruby
0.1.0 Het-Crimson Corns-Lola
0.1.0 White-Sided/Pos Het Albino Black Rat-Lita
1.0.0 Albino White-sided Black Rat-Rey
0.1.0 Fl King-Bonnie
1.0.0 Biak GTP-Brandon
1.0.0 Flame X Blood Bearded-Ruff
1.2.0 Ball Pythons-Donnie, Gretchen, Alexis
0.1.0 Red-tail Boa-Xena
0.0.1 Savannah Monitor-Izzy

its all a guessing game...
if you know the bloodline then you do have an idea as to that to expect, like if you have bred the bloodline for a few generations then you will have a pretty god idea as to what percentage of what to expect out of the clutch, but you cant look at a baby and know what it will look like...

Shiloh
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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

just out of curiosity,how many clutches of a said morph have you actually hatched?

>>just out of curiosity,how many clutches of a said morph have you actually hatched?

does that make any difference??? i have not hatched out any clutches, however i have done my research, and i have watched my chondros change in color... and having a large # of chondros means i have seen the color changes over and over again...
but as for your question, it really makes no difference, their is a 17 year old on the other forums that knows as much if not more about chondros then most of the guys that have been in the game for years and have produced several clutches... and he has yet to hatch out a clutch or attempt breeding...

Shiloh
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Shiloh Hawkesworth
kansas
(Midwest Serpents)

***its all a guessing game...
if you know the bloodline then you do have an idea as to that to expect, like if you have bred the bloodline for a few generations then you will have a pretty god idea as to what percentage of what to expect out of the clutch, but you cant look at a baby and know what it will look like... ***

Well, that's pretty much what I said...except I said that even looking at what the majority of the animals from certain clutches looks like doesn't really do much, cause you could get a weird one that turns out looking like none of the others. Hence why I was confused when you posted before......*scratches head* Oh well, I guess this is one I was never meant to figure out.

Chris
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0.2.0 Grey Rats-Lauren, Avril
1.2.0 Black Rats- Robert, Cady, Kylie
1.2.0 Albino FL Kings-Nick, Jessica, Ashley
1.1.0 Crimson Corns-Kane, Ruby
0.1.0 Het-Crimson Corns-Lola
0.1.0 White-Sided/Pos Het Albino Black Rat-Lita
1.0.0 Albino White-sided Black Rat-Rey
0.1.0 Fl King-Bonnie
1.0.0 Biak GTP-Brandon
1.0.0 Flame X Blood Bearded-Ruff
1.2.0 Ball Pythons-Donnie, Gretchen, Alexis
0.1.0 Red-tail Boa-Xena
0.0.1 Savannah Monitor-Izzy