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julian,i have a high blue snake that is now ,at 2 years, beginning to gain quite a bit of blue.now im wondering,he is not a high blue locale type but is a high blue morph and every month seems to be getting more and more blue.really great looking snake.i dont have a female high blue to pair him with but he is my only designer type and i would really like to breed him.i have no experience with breeding designers or know of the genetics behind blue animals but i am wondering,what would be a good animal to pair him up with short of loaning him out to a high blue female?i have a really nice sorong locale with lots and lots of blue,but just a basic locale snake,not a true blue.would pairing him up with a sorong with strong blue dorsal area give me a better shot of true blue offspring,than if i paired him up with a basic patternless green?the reason im asking is i have seen quite a few blue breedings where they used an all green snake as opposed to a sorong type with at least some blue.im unsure of my blues genetics or if both parents are from a high blue line.he was purchased when i was in school in canada as a high blue neonate but thats as much info as i was able to get.i actually had him and my sorong together this month but im pretty sure now they didnt take.

Hey,
There is no telling what you'll actually get regardless of the sorong type or other blue animal you breed him/her to, as the only way to tell is to go ahead and breed the gtp and see what the results are when you raise some of the offspring up. The amount of predictability for such a pairing is nill, as there is such little data or history available on either animal in question. It takes time and more time to prove out a particular pairing and I believe you are interested in just such a thing, so my advice for you is to under take the challenge and do just that. Pair them up, the sorong and your blue female or male and see what you get.
-Angel
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Evil Canevil

I'm going to echo what Angel said.

I think alot of the reason you see a blue male crossed with a blue female is the genetics passed on to it (eg. came from a blue line).

Sure your best bet would be with a blue female (however there are not many out there right now *that i know of*). If i were you i would try maybe a Hormonal blue female or just something spectacular..

I'm not a locality fan and for the most part think it's a selling point than actual fact. But that's a whole nother can of worms.

I think angel hit the nail on the head, however.

Here's a link to one of my blue animals pedigrees. Her sire is came from the more well known blue lines out there.

http://www.juliangarcia.com/photos/Dreamkid/blue blue breeding.jpg

how about posting a photo of that blue snake, eh!? You got me curious now!

*here's a photo of the chondro's pedigree you're looking at... btw- it's a female *

Here are photos of the sire and dam to the animal pictured above.. Just to give you an example of the pairing.

Pacific is the chondro with a pedigree. He comes from a a blue x blue pairing (what i would call a pair that would produce some super blues) of a blue male breed back to it's orginal mother. Even though the animal is 60% blue the gentics on him are there.

"Pacific" Cared for by Andrew Kelley Reptiles

"Dream" cared for by Shawn Stewart

Dream from what i understand is a hormonal blue female. Who is about as blue as they come. She is known to produce some wild offspring (mostly high yellow) and a a few blues.

I also have another blue male who was produced from "Powder" a high yellow (now hormnal blue) female.. who is known well known for producing blue animals.. The male used is a green animal with a blue undertone.

Here is a photo of powder.

"Hujan" cared for by Damon Salcies (www.albinochondro.com)

"Burton" The animal in my collection.

So my point here is.. it's more bloodline (proven genetics) more so than locality or looks a lone.

Hope this helps you a bit?

yea julian it helps.my male in question looks,if i had to pick,to be of the pacific type.not yet as much blue but every month seems to be getting more to that point and i have read that many blue animals do not develop blue right away and it takes a couple years.based on how much more blue he gets after each shed(i have a photo collection i need to scan),i feel he will turn out looking pretty close to pacific,that is blue with a green undertone.now as far as your suggestion,no i dont have a blue female nor a hormonal blue.basically,short of a breeding loan,i only have 2 options.an all green aru type,and the blue dorsal sorong female.of the two,what would you choose?he really is a nice blue animal and its a shame not to have a better mate for his first breeding.now i dont have the money for another designer,so if need be,i can buy another more suitable locale type.is there a specific locale that more often produces high blues than another?i know that aru females often turn hormonal blue but i thought that hormonal blues do not create true blues any better than non hormonals.was this wrong?