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Please could someone help me with the Common Hybrid name that is used for the cross between a Nelsons Milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni) x Variable Kingsnake (Lampropeltis theyeri).

Thanks all.

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i think its called a jurasic milk
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)

a jurassic milk is Florida king X California King X Honduran Milk. There is no nelsons milk or thayeri in the mix. Nelsons/Thayeri might be what they are calling "pastel king." I didn't want to post that in case I was wrong (I know pastel king involves thayeri though) but I wanted to clear up the confusion over what a jurassic milk was. Nelsons/thayeri are pretty rare compared to jurassic milks (at least, I have very rarely seen the thayeri/nelsons crosses advertised as opposed to the almost weekly postings of jurassics.)

sorry i knew it was king and milk, but i dont know the subspecies of kin and milk

jake
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)

There really is no common hybrid name for that cross.Although Pro Breeders call a thayeri x ruthveni a pastel king.Also AAA has what they are calling candy colored clowns which is a patternless thayeri x nelsons.

I was trying to remember the other cross involved in pastel king (I could not remember if it was nelsons or ruthveni.)

n/p

>>There really is no common hybrid name for that cross.Although Pro Breeders call a thayeri x ruthveni a pastel king.Also AAA has what they are calling candy colored clowns which is a patternless thayeri x nelsons.

Thankyou..

So am i right in saying that, Albino thayeri x ruthveni = Candy Colored Clowns.
Normal thayeri x ruthveni = Clown Kings.
and also thayeri x ruthveni = pastel king.

It could be a good idea for the major breeders of hybrids to get together and come up with a list of common hybrid names for the different combinations of crosses that are availible, which could be added to as and when new crosses become available, it would be more professional.
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Pinky's taste nice,only if there fresh..

I have tried to do that (see lower down on the message board) but there are a few problems with that:

1) some breeders refuse to disclose the "ingredients" in their hybrids

2) some hybrids only have a propriety name with 1 breeder. Another breeder might be calling the same cross something else.

and 3) hybrid breeders seem to be a little shy about making any noise about their hybrids. I have seen no interest or effort to unite on anything. If a term becomes common within the hybrid fancy, it is only by default. One breeder markets a particular cross and calls it something, and everyone who buys from that breeder uses the same term for the babies. But, if there are other breeders with the same exact cross, but they did not buy from the other breeder, then they either come up with their own term for the cross or don't call it anything at all.

I would love to publish a list of hybrid varieties using common terms for them, including the species involved in the hybrid. I am working on a website and I intend to list all of the commonly accepted terms for hybrids, but I don't see much point in listing combinations that have 3 or 4 different "names" and are only sporadically called anything.....

So far, the only commonly accepted terms (not limited to one or two breeders) are: jungle corn (which are also called kingcorn or supercorn), jurassic milk, creamsicle, bubblegum ratsnake, imperial pueblans (AKA painted kings,) and I will have to go through the list again to see if there are any others. There are a lot more terms, like turbo corn, velvet corn, etc., but I have not seen those terms used very often. There has to be at least a few breeders using a particular term for it to be on any level a "commonly used term." I have some hybrids that aren't called anything by anyone (at least, nobody is publishing the cross online using a particular term.) There are far more hybrids without "names" than there are with "names." I guess that is because just about any cross that can be done, has been done. People aren't going to name every cross ever created, especially if it's not a common cross or does not elicit a catchy name. I guess if you have a hybrid that you think is just awesome, and nobody seems to have named it, you can always try to come up with a fitting term and and try to find support from other breeders for that term.

>>I have tried to do that (see lower down on the message board) but there are a few problems with that:
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>>1) some breeders refuse to disclose the "ingredients" in their hybrids
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>>2) some hybrids only have a propriety name with 1 breeder. Another breeder might be calling the same cross something else.
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>>and 3) hybrid breeders seem to be a little shy about making any noise about their hybrids. I have seen no interest or effort to unite on anything. If a term becomes common within the hybrid fancy, it is only by default. One breeder markets a particular cross and calls it something, and everyone who buys from that breeder uses the same term for the babies. But, if there are other breeders with the same exact cross, but they did not buy from the other breeder, then they either come up with their own term for the cross or don't call it anything at all.
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>>I would love to publish a list of hybrid varieties using common terms for them, including the species involved in the hybrid. I am working on a website and I intend to list all of the commonly accepted terms for hybrids, but I don't see much point in listing combinations that have 3 or 4 different "names" and are only sporadically called anything.....
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>>So far, the only commonly accepted terms (not limited to one or two breeders) are: jungle corn (which are also called kingcorn or supercorn), jurassic milk, creamsicle, bubblegum ratsnake, imperial pueblans (AKA painted kings,) and I will have to go through the list again to see if there are any others. There are a lot more terms, like turbo corn, velvet corn, etc., but I have not seen those terms used very often. There has to be at least a few breeders using a particular term for it to be on any level a "commonly used term." I have some hybrids that aren't called anything by anyone (at least, nobody is publishing the cross online using a particular term.) There are far more hybrids without "names" than there are with "names." I guess that is because just about any cross that can be done, has been done. People aren't going to name every cross ever created, especially if it's not a common cross or does not elicit a catchy name. I guess if you have a hybrid that you think is just awesome, and nobody seems to have named it, you can always try to come up with a fitting term and and try to find support from other breeders for that term.
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Thanks for that reply lilgemsmice.

People put so much time and effort into creating really beautifull snakes, they should have names not just snakes called a cross between this or that.

But i also understand that to unite is the way forward for hybrids.

Thanks again..

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Pinky's taste nice,only if there fresh..

sounds like a cool site, post a link when its done, i know ill go to it.

jake
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my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)

Albino Ruthveni x Thayeri = Pastel Kings
Albino Nelsons x Patternless Thayeri = Candy Colored Clowns

>>Albino Ruthveni x Thayeri = Pastel Kings
>>Albino Nelsons x Patternless Thayeri = Candy Colored Clowns
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Thankyou Mesozoic.
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Pinky's taste nice,only if there fresh..