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we were discussing bushmaster farm raised animals a few days ago and it seemed i was alone in the feeling that bushmaster alone,breeded and cared for their snakes as much as most domestic breeders and the risk of buying one of theirs and having it imported with parasites and other health problems is the same low risk as getting sick animals from a captive breeder.i felt that many american breeders try to place the fear of god in chondro buyers and that its an irrational fear that if they buy from bushmaster,they are likly to get a sick animal that will surly die.i am familiar with the practices of bushmaster and how their breeding animals are treated for paparasites and only when clean are breeded.all animals are fed and made sure they are feeding and are not shipped untill doing so,animals are shipped overnight in indiviual containers and cared for an watched in quarintine,then after being cleared and proven to have no diseases,then are allowed to be sold.now i know that to take my word for this,someone you dont know,would be stupid.so please read this.its an artical trooper walsh wrote about indonesian imports and how only bushmaster farm animals should be considered captive bred.what was that?did trooper walsh call an animal that came from indonesia captive bred?he also stated the vast amout of illegal and legal imports from other dealers in indonesia that do in fact come in sick,malnourished,dehydrated but stated that as far as he was conserned,bushmaster was the only one captive breeding chondros in indonesia.anyway,i thought it was a good read and considering how most of us would not know 90 percent of what we know about chondros without trooper,i think it can be taken seriously.again i say,many were right about the dangers of buying wildcaught imports,but i feel that many captive breeders have thrown in bushmaster as well because they know that their snakes are sold at nearly half of what domestics are sold for and its in their best interest to use this as an explaination why.besides their snakes being clean and safe,they are so damn nice looking.

http://www.ophioservices.com/twa3.htm#Indonesian Breeders & Locality-Specific Pythons

someone did make a good point that with these animals,you dont get any additional help and service,and you dont get any history either.but if you know what youre doing,and you feel you can handle most basic problems that may come up,and youre looking for a basic locale type(busmasters mainland blue dorsal types cant be beat)its a nice place to go.because their animals are so cheap,its very common for breaders to buy a bunch of them and hold them all a year and keep the spectacular ones and sell the rest of as yearlings.i only bought one and he turned out to be a screamer.i dont know why i feel so strongly about this,i guess i have done the reasearch,know someone who works at their facility in colorado,and really get bothered when people warm against buying them because of reasons that are just not logical.if i car dealer tells you not to buy a car from a differnt dealer because its gonna break down,dont you think hes just trying to sell you his car?,or do you think hes a nice guy a just generaly cares about you?i think most people have an agenda and thats fine,but when you begin to smear other people only because they have something less expensive than you,well thats just rude..

i kinda agree in a way,not that all breeders have an agenda(i know thats not what you said but)i do agree that bushmaster snakes are healthy.id be willing to bet a huge percentage of baby chondros sold on kingsnake classifides come directly from bushmaster.i know for a fact that ben siegal,frantz,LLL,and almost all the other really big ones all buy from bushmaster(most of the people reading this have bushmaster snakes and dont even know it).people think when the snakes they buy say captive bred,they rule out bushmaster but technically,bushmaster is captive breeding them as you and trooper walsh in that artical state.if in fact the largest supplier of chondros in the country was selling sick snakes,these classifides would be swarming with HELP! posts.i had no idea before reading that article how much bushmaster contributed to the chondro market and actually were the ones going to the islands like biak,aru ect and collecting with their bare hands and documenting all these locales we know of today.instead of smearing them,maybe we should be thanking them.