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Im just wondering how everyone is feeling about the gas prices. yesterday I filled my ford up at $2.64 a gal, way to much but its been hovering there for about 4wks, This AM my better half calls me to tell me Id better top off the tanks, same gas station she paid $2.73 this am on her way to work. 4pm when she got home I went to fill the chevy and some of the cans for the mowers and its $3.05 and the lady said is would be more by 10am tomorrow. This is just crazy, so Im just curious how much this is effecting everyone,

Is your spending going to stop?

cut by 50%

Maybe not cut by 50% but theirs definitly a few things in mind that will be passed up for the time being

do you Make enough that being ripped off by the fuel gods only because they can, you find this irrating but its wont effect your reptile funds

Im just curous what kind of effect people think it will have on the reptile trade, .
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Well considering I just bought a brand new gas guzzling truck it's kind of irritationg but at least we still have our homes, lives and families. I feel lucky if it only costs me $30 extra a month.

Anyone know where this is going? This really stinks. Andy

While I feel awful for those in the La. and Ms and I have personally made a contribution to REd Cross to help those in need, we are all going to be hit hard by the gas prices. In NEW YORK it is now $3.25 for regular and they said by the weekend it will be $4.00 a gal. for regular. If Anyone is interested in a plan to help stop the high prices Email me. Let's start a war but a war that doesn't kill people or even hurt anyone but the big oil companies. A PRICE WAR would work email me for more info and if we all rally together we can win this before it is too late.

My take on it:

ANY and I mean ANY excuse to raise gas prices and gouge the American Public is well received by the Corporate Gas Companies.
After all, these are FOR PROFIT companies.

Summer? Gas prices go up

End of Summer? Gas Prices go up

Winter Vacation? Yup, gas prices go up...

Go to war and invade an oil rich nation? You guessed it, gas prices go up... .?

Major Tragedy in New Orleans, Mississippi? "Raise them prices up again"

I wouldnt be suprised if they didnt raise the gas prices during the week of Halloween. Lots of SUV and mini-Van driving moms/dads will be out enforce that night eh?

Said with a smirk, but honestly, when does this #@*#@! stop?

When we pay what Europe pays? When we all drive FIATS?

Or Priuss(What I wouldnt give for one of those right now)

Enough of my rant, I think it an outrage that gasoline isnt regulated. They can charge whatever they want whenever they want and we struggle through it. Even through a tragedy. As if these corporations werent making enugh profit allready.And the automakers continue to crank out gas guzzling SUV's the size of Texas.

My two cents

Fred Albury

I received this in an email today. I'm not sure if I would like to boycott the american companies, the better plan would be to boycot the foreign Gas companies.

Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a modern day Boston Tea Party?

THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE!!!!

I hear we are going to hit $4.00 a gallon by the end of summer and it might go higher!!

Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.

Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read it and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.43 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place.... not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.

HOW?

Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers.

It's really simple to do!!

Now, don't wimp out on me at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted!

If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.

THIS CAN REALLY WORK

>>Major Tragedy in New Orleans, Mississippi? "Raise them prices up again"

Well, to give the Devil its due, the refineries that are up and running don't have any crude to process. Really. Many rigs are still functionaly, but can't get the crude in without power. I've read that the Gulf's oil production has just been reduced by 85-95%. I can't verify that, but I can say from direct knowledge that the first statement is a fact. So, down here in areas that get their fueld from sources along that portion of the copast, gas MUST go up: supply down and demand up.

>>I wouldnt be suprised if they didnt raise the gas prices during the week of Halloween. Lots of SUV and mini-Van driving moms/dads will be out enforce that night eh?

Sadly, you might be correct. ...and that is a very humorous way to describe it. Thanks for a chuckle when most are in short supply.

I agree with a bunch of the stuff in this thread and disagree with a bunch more. Although I don't want .gov enslavement, I mean intrusion, on the issue, I do think it is wrong for a gas station to change their prices hourly when the price they paid for the fule doesn't change until their next fill-up from the delivery truck. I know they are trying to maximize profits and predict what the will make and lose on the NEXT delivery, but it is still a slap in the face for us.

>>Enough of my rant, I think it an outrage that gasoline isnt regulated.

There I do disagree. Cheap gas is too expensive for more government enslavement of private property. Gas IS the property of the owners until they sell it to new owners. If I don't like what they charge, I won't buy it. I'd rather die slowly than see more .gov intrusion into our private lives. People complain about the war saying it is just for cheap oil and then complain that oil is too high. Kinda ironic and utopian thinking in my eyes.

>>And the automakers continue to crank out gas guzzling SUV's the size of Texas.

Only because Americans keep buying them. The factories aren't to blame. We are.

>>While I feel awful for those in the La. and Ms and I have personally made a contribution to REd Cross to help those in need, we are all going to be hit hard by the gas prices. In NEW YORK it is now $3.25 for regular and they said by the weekend it will be $4.00 a gal. for regular. If Anyone is interested in a plan to help stop the high prices Email me. Let's start a war but a war that doesn't kill people or even hurt anyone but the big oil companies. A PRICE WAR would work email me for more info and if we all rally together we can win this before it is too late.

Unless you figure out a way to stop China from using ga at a rate 30 % greater than they did 5 years ago, expect to pay at least 30% more than you did 5 years ago! No offense to you personally, but I'm tired of people claiming higher gas prices over the last couple of years are due to "the big oil companies ripping us off" without first looking at the world economy and understanding WHY prices are they way they are. Us Americans put our noses in a corner and pretend we see and know everything from that scale.

KJ

Ok so if they china are using 30% more then 5yrs ago and we should expoect to pay 30% more because of that, 5yrs ago I moved to IL from PA when I left PA fuel was bouncing in between .89-1.09 per gallon. so a 30% increase would be ruffly 1.40-1.50 per gallon we surpassed that what? 4yrs ago?averqage being over $3.25per gallon we are paying well over 300% more then we were 5yrs ago, thats not suplly and demand that is because they can and nothing more
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Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)

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>>Ok so if they china are using 30% more then 5yrs ago and we should expoect to pay 30% more because of that, 5yrs ago I moved to IL from PA when I left PA fuel was bouncing in between .89-1.09 per gallon. so a 30% increase would be ruffly 1.40-1.50 per gallon we surpassed that what? 4yrs ago?averqage being over $3.25per gallon we are paying well over 300% more then we were 5yrs ago, thats not suplly and demand that is because they can and nothing more

Not that simple at all..... Until the last few years (even during the "oil embargo," the worldwide oil use was only about 95% of the available production. That translates into a 5% surplus EACH and every year (simplified, of course). Now, in part due to China but due to more oil consumption worldwide also, the consumption is 99 % of the annual production. NO SURPLUS! That's the reason for the higher than you estimated price. It is reaching the point where demand exceeds supply, so their is a buyer available at $70/barrel instead of surplus at $30/barrel. When you were paying $1/gallon, oil was $30/barrel. Now, it is close to $70 (at least in part for the aforementioned reasons). Expect to pay at least double then, right? Follow that so far? This information isn't a secret - just look at the world economy.

With that high of a use, ANY blimp (like this storm, spike in demand, terrorist threat, etc.) that increased the demand:supply ratio will spike up the price. Undergrad level of ecenomics here - not rocket science.

Heck, I don't like it, but I don't like that I can't ignore gravity when I want to move a freezer, either. Sucks just as much for me as for you.

Besides, this is AMERICA...not the USSA or some other communist/socialist country. Without those "profiteering monsters" we would still be a third world country or bowing down to every pipsqueek country that threatened anyone. It worked for the first 200 years, and this country has only started to degenerate once socialism got its nasty, forward destroying, foot in the door with that traitor to liberty-loving Americans of all generations (the bad Roosevelt).

KJ

humm well thewy could either increase pro0duction by 5% or what thewy hell just sky rocket the prices so exxon can post the highest profits its every reported in history, either way because they can, its that simple, its one thing to make a profit but when they have the power to flip the economy upside down and they use it that is simply wrong, because thast is what is happeneing right now
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Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)

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Im curious as to what you reasoning is that they dont have more output? They could if they wanted to, they even disscussed it but they decided no, the option is there, running with no surplus, prices and profits soaring works just fine for them, they could create a surplus if they wanted to, hell Bush could realease enough from the reserves to force a surplsu and force prices down but he wont neither will the full companies, they see no reason to and why should they??? It may push the economy into a recession or even a depresion but they are set so why shoudl they care, I agree that people and companies should be able to make a profit but not one group should rule the world, the fuel compaies do and their profits are soaring mean while all of us down here are suffering, not only is their greed killing this economy but its also killing people, how many people just died because they couldnt afford a tank of gas to get out of the way of the hurricane???? what do the fuel companies do "ah to hell with you all were rainsing prices again" they dont care fuel companies seen a an oppurtunity and took it as the dead rot

You were talking about wages on the rigs, I really dont care, what I care about is my family my buisness my customers and those affected and while the oil industry is lining its pockets we are all suffering, making a profit is one thing causing others to suffer for greed is another, and dont tell me that is not the case,

if their profits were not soaring I may buy into this garbage about shoratages and supply and demand but when exxon is anoucning its highest profit taking in history the rest is a bull sh&t excuse for more and thats all there is to it

when it comes down to is its not even competitive, go drive around any city, what do you find at the pumps(shell, exxon, mogbil etc) they are all within .1-.4cents of each other thats not even compition thats price matching, go to wal mart and buy a gallong of milk, then to to a normal grocery store I gaurentee walmart is atleast .50 cheaper, thats compition,

the oil indursty and its greed caused hundreds of deaths this past week and in the wake of that decided they wanted more and we saw the highest jump in price ever, you cant even call them parisites, parisites feed of their host not kill them.
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Jason & Danica
Don't wanna wait 'til tomorrow Why put it off another day? One by one, little problems Build up, and stand in our way. Oh One step ahead, one step behind it Now ya gotta run to get even Make future plans I'll dream about yesterday, hey! Come on turn, turn this thing around (Right now) Hey! It's your tomorrow (Right now) Come on, it's everything (Right now) Catch your magic moment (Right now) Catch your magic moment Do it right here and now Do it right here and now, IT MEANS EVERYTHING (Van Halen, Right Now)

So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating/Can't find a good reason, can't find hope to believe in/...You can't change the state of the nation we just need/ some motivation...So am I still waiting for this world to stop hating(Sum41 Still Waiting)

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I would be the FIRSt to agree heartily that our consumption of gas, we being pre-disposed to large gas guzzling SUV's.
Not work trucks, but vehicles used to pick up jimmy and Jane from the local school. Or to haul groceries. At 8mpg.

so..KJUN..I believe you make some VALID points. But I truly beleive that these companies *GOUGE* us at the pumps..
After the tragedy in New Orleans, gas out her on the west coast shot up in price OVERNIGHT. Thats before the hurrican had finished its destructive path, before the superdome leaked.
They raised the prices based on extrapaltions of PREDICTIONS of the damage that would be done.

I'm sorry, but I am much more inclined to beleive that these large oil companies are araking in profits dureing EVERY major holiday, the start of summer vacations, the end of summer vacations(Got to get those last few drops out) and now..even as we speak..during a disaster.

Keep in mind, Gas is expensive for not only us on the west coast, but for those poor people that have lost their homes, pets, family members, and health during this last hurricane.
Assuming they were lucky or rich enough to HAVE a vehicle and get out in time.

So....high prices at the pump constrict them and also THWART rescue efforts. Ooop! Cant let the lives of thousands endanger the PROFIT MARGIN of these big corporations, can we?

And we dont need regulation of Gasoline sales?

Um...I respectfully disagree with you. But we both have a right to our opinions.

So....top of the tank and load up the lawnmower. Theres gas for all..as long as you can **AFFORD** it.

If not..walk...bike...or fly

After all, gas isnt a neccessity for our well being.

Good thing I saved my tack and harness...

Horses, youll never know when theyll come in handy..

lol

Fred Albury

>>And we dont need regulation of Gasoline sales?

So, you need gas (your words, not mine), so it is OK to regulate the sales. I bet you don't think it is OK to outlaw all boas and other snakes that nobody NEEDS, though. I'm not just trying to be argumentative - I'm trying to make a point.

Basically, cheap gas is MUCH too high of a price to pay for larger .gov and more .gov intrusion into our lives. Ever work on a boat in the oil field? I doubt it seriously. Regulating gas prices would in effect reduce their wages. Damn it, but that job is dangerous and HARD. I'm not even counting leaving your family for week(s) at a time over and over again to do the job. You want to regulate gas prices so they do that hard job at their risk for less pay (basic economics resulting regulations). I'm sorry, but that is just selfish. Exxon seems to only have a 10% profit margin I've read over and over again. You are seeing 10X that at pet stores, Wal-Mart (some departments), etc. Only 10%. Get real. By the way, I have worked in the oil field.

Want cheaper gas? Drill off the west coast! Heck, look into what percentage of your fuel on the west coast comes from the gulf coast because y'all by state law won't drill off of your coasts. It is OK for ours to get ugy and messed up, buit not OK for y'all? Talk to your Congresscritters about THAT if you want cheaper gas.

Furthermore, I wish that the states that exported gas to states on the west coast charged a $1 per gallon tax and refunded that money back to the people in the exporting states. For example, if gas is $2 per gallon, people in kalifornia should be paying $3 and people in Texas/Louisiana should only have to pay $1. It is our damn gas afterall and it is OUR coasts taking the beating from oil extraction. How about restitution on THAT?

Don't get all mad, I'm just playing the Devil's Advocate because I hate when kalifornia complains about high gas but passes more and more laws to prevent extraction from occuring in kalifornia. You can NOT have it both ways! You can't have your Kate and Edith, too.

When crude is greater than $1 per gallon, how can anyone expect to have gas less than even $2 per gallon? Basic economics. Socialism just ignored those facts - it doesn't make them go away for long!
KJ

What part of Capitalism dont you understand ?
If you "owned" a buisness wouldnt your goal be "PROFIT(S)" ??
"Big Oil" is a buisness and their haveing a huge surge in profits.Many of the players are yet to clear lost profits from many years of lost production expenses as well as current operating costs plus a huge list of others expenses. None of which are discussed by main stream media whores like CNN/MSNBC/FOX.
Stop believeing everything you hear from those polluted sources
and research the facts.
Its about time some of these fat grumpy americans get alittle squeeze on the glutenus 2nd morgaged pocketbooks !

M/
Native American Born and long past being proud of it !

Bleed for these wealthy oil companies if you must. . . .

Capitalism? Is that what drove the electricity crisis during Grey Davis reign?

Free market! If you can afford it, fine if you cant...oh well!

Even if it is a necessity in our society, such as food, housing, health care, and transportation.

Fred

I live outside of Atlanta, earlier this week gas jumped from $2.48 to over $3.00 and in some places, well over $4 in about 24 hours. THAT IS GOUGING. Hopefully people saved their receipts and are turning them in to the consumer affairs office so these a-holes get their $5000 PER CUSTOMER fine! If everyone really wants to see gas prices drop, they are going to have to get rid of those gas guzzlers (which are over-priced anyway) and start driving like they have some sense. And I don't believe that it is only increased demand that has driven up prices...oil companies are raking in more profits than ever. I bought my motocycle about 2 weeks ago, just in time! Now I just need a bumper sticker that says "OPEC & George W. can kiss my a$$!"

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is that even when people are complaining about high gas prices they buy MORE gas than they would usually. If you want gas prices to go down have everyone stop buying gas! People (in america especially) won't stop buying gas at exorbarant prices until gas runs out. They will cut down on everything but gas. Those with SUV's and Trucks won't trade them in for a car that gets 2-3 times the gas mileage they will just spend less on everything else.

Seeing as how 1 gallon of crude oil costs $1.60 (as of 9/02/05) it's absurd to think prices will be anywhere near that. The price of gasoline will always be rising (over an extended period of time) as everyday oil use is rising and therefore demand is rising while supply is falling.

We should be thanful gasoline isn't what its like in London (>$6.00 a gallon) or other places in Europe.
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Just a thought here.

With gas prices climbing to records daily. Might it also be that they are preparing us to think that fuel prices near $2.00 a gallon is a bargain?

I do not see it likely as the price will ever drop below $2.00 at the pump. Not unless the government steps in and why should they?

Frank
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Its at like $1.50 a gallon for crude unrefined oil. Prices under $2.00 a gallon would start riots IMO. In a recent paper the price of a gallon of regular at one station went from like 2.65 to 3.05 in one day. At least its not crazy (>$4) here yet.
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Makes me glad I just got a little Honda CRV. Big enough to carry cages but car based, reliable,crash test safe and good on gas!