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I can't wait to test him in a couple years.In any case he is a screamer and one of the best I have ever seen.
Thanks Mike.

Shannon

Nice snake Shannon, although I don't know if you could say it could be het for extreme. Has anyone really proven the extremes are a simple receissive trait or is this still in theory? It would be great if it is a another simple recessive trait to add to the honduran mix but my two cents is it is just something that pops up from really nice hypos. Although given how different extremes look from some hypos I suppose anything is possible.

Here's a pic of a ghost I hatched out last year as part of my vanishing ghost project. Very similar to yours. A pic of her as an 8-month old. At 1.5 years she is getting a very pinkish caste to her.

Rob

Thanks Rob,

Yeah its really hard to say at this point but time will tell.Not calling anything het for extreme right now but I am sure we will see some extreme ghosts pretty soon.

Thats a very nice looking ghost you have there.She is staying nice and clean.

Shannon

Thanks Shannon. I'll try to get a new pic of her. You can just start to see some of the minor tipping creeping in but she's still pretty clean.

Rob

DAMN now thats awesome!! A year and a half and no tipping yet. I got to get me one of those! I think yours is closer to extreme than shannon's is.
Nice Rob!!!
Dave Stevens

Dave,
The one I posted is out of a dbl-het to dbl-het for extreme ghost breeding (that did contain extremes,hypos,anerys and ghosts) done by Mike Falcon.So how could it be that Rays ghost could be closer to a extreme than mine.
I am a little confused,I would agree that his animal is very very clean and is tatally awesome and I even told him that but I am a little lost by your comment.Could you explain because sometimes its hard to tell what one is trying to really say just by reading his/hers typing?

Thanks Shannon

Well Shannon, I thought Robs ghost pic was at 1.5 years but it was at 8 months. If his was that clean at 1.5 it would be an extremelly clean animal( good hypo) wich is what an extreme is. When we do breed extreme ghosts there will be no tipping. Your animal already has tipping. Just because there was a extreme in the clutch ( wich is the one pictured below) doesn't really mean you are any closer to an extreme ghost. Mike will tell you that. You might get lucky.
Dave Stevens

Dave:

Just to be clear. I produced two ghosts last year that were this nice but neither came from bloodlines that have been linked to "extremes". The father is a very clean anery het hypo from Dave Dopherty's line and the mother is a nice tri-color hypo het anery from Dunham lines.

Personally, I think the two super-nice ghosts I hatched last year were lucky. The first clutch this year from the same pairing produced one ghost that is nowhere near as nice (though still very clean, he or she has thicker bands and a little abberancy. However, I notice that the anery's in this clutch, and the hypos are very clean. One other thing I like about this pairing (even moreso than the color) is the size. These hatchlings are very large compared to some fo my hypos which were normal-sized.

There's alot we don't know about with hypos and other morphs in Hondurans, especially when you start crossing different lines. Heck, I hatched out a tri-color hypo this year - it is creamy white, not yellow - from a clutch that had all other hypos as really tangerine. Weird. I can only attribute this to the history of tr-color and tangerine hondurans and how the different breeder lines eventually infiltrated everybody's stock.

Shannon says his ghost is from pairing animals that come from the xtreme line, so I would say that puts him closer to producing an extreme ghost.

Ghosts are funny, though. i've seen some real dogs with lots of tipping and yeah, they are ghosts but also pretty scary. And then you have some that are pretty clean as hatchlings and get all mottled up by the time they are adults. I'll try to take a picture today of my female at 1.5 years to show you what I mean by very minor tipping creeping in. It's sunny outside so the light will hopefully be good enough to see the pinkish hue.

Here's a close-up pic of the first clutch from that pairing this year. The lone ghost is near the bottom with "H" pattern.

Rob

Well Dave, I don't think how clean a snake is has anything to do with how extreme it is. I have ghosts that are very clean, no black tipping and they don't have any extreme genes in them that I know of. I think when they are talking about extreme it means the extreme hypo genes that are silvery gray from the extreme line.

O.K. I apologize,I'll admit it I got a little carried away. We do agree that an extreme has no tipping and is just a refined hypo with the minimum amount of pigment. Correct? I'm still learning from you guys slowly but surely, every day.
Thanks
Dave

Here's some pics I took today of my ghost vanishing female.

I erred earlier. She is one year old now. Born on Sept. 2, 2004. You can see the tiping where four or five months before there was none.

In case you are wondering, she is about three feet and weighs 315 grams.

Rob

Ray,
That is one fine looking ghost.She hardley has any tipping.I have a vanishing pattern female that is the same size that was a screamer as a hatchling that has way more tipping now than she does.

Congrats on that killer man.

Shannon

beautiful snake!...

but what have you been feeding her to get her up to 315g in one year??
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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps

Paul:

Thanks.

I went and re-weighed her to double check. She is actually 265 grams, not 315. Not sure what happened there until I looked at the card for the snake above her in the rack: 315 grams.

anyways, 265 still seems a bit large for one year. she was big as a hatchling. I feed my growing snakes frequent small meals. The ghost female currently gets 2 to 3 FT hoppers every 4 days. Usually I don't see a big growth spurt until they switch over to rat pups ands she's a few months from that.

Rob

since everyone's posting such beautiful photos of there animals. I thought I would join in. Here's a couple from last year

This ghost hatched 11/5/04 and is 305g today.
Jim Baptista

This tc hypo poss. het/anery hatched on 8/9/05 and is at 499g as of today.
Thanks for looking. If I could figure out how to resize them, I would post some photos of this years babies.
jim Baptista

Are you serious, you must mean hatched 8/9/03!! That thing is a hog!!

And I thought my yearling ghost was getting big!!!