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Warning about mite sprays

MarkS Jul 18, 2003 11:06 AM

Let me preface this note by saying that I am an expericed keeper with over a dozen years of snake keeping experience. I do know about proper quaranteen protocols and have been using them for years. For reasons of my own I chose to forgo those protocols this time much to my detriment. So please no flames or snide comments. I am relating my recent experience so that hopefully others will learn from my mistakes and not have the same problems, not so that you can sit back and judge me.

I recently received some baby ball pythons which I set up in my hatchling rack which also contained various neonate to yearling snakes and Leopard geckos. A few days later I discovered mites on the ball pythons. Though no mites were discovered on any of the other snakes in my collection, I decided to treat the entire collection starting with the hatchling rack. I began treatment last night. I used two products. One was Provent-a-mite, which I had used before as a preventative measure and a product called de flea which I have not used before. I followed directions exactly with both products. I sprayed down clean shoe boxes with the provent a mite and let them dry for 10 minutes until they looked dry and vapors had dissapated. I then put the snakes and lizards in their new boxes and sprayed each one with one squirt of de flea. I checked on them again 9 hours later after coming home from work. The corn snakes were all fine, even those that only hatched a couple of days ago. The milk snakes were fine, and the AZ mountain kings were fine. Two baby leopard geckos of about a month old were dead, two yearling/adult leopard geckos are alive but appear to be in distress, standing in one spot with eyes closed and backs arched. And three hatchling bullsnakes appear to have severe neurological damage. The bullsnake hatchlings are 2 weeks old and had shed a week ago. I guess that I am most surprised by the reaction of the bullsnakes. Baby corns that are even younger are just fine but the larger older bullsnakes reacted badly? Maybe something about bullsnakes causes them to react more strongly to poisons that don't appear to affect other species of snakes?

I don't know if the problem was with the provent a mite or the De flea or using both in combination. I have used the provent a mite on adult bullsnakes before with no problems but never before on neonates and like I said this is my first time using De flea.

I just wanted to let people know about my experience so that they could use greater caution using these products, especially around bullsnakes and Leopard geckos.

Mark

Replies (7)

gila7150 Jul 18, 2003 01:03 PM

Sorry to hear about your situation. I'm familiar with Provent a Mite but not the De Flea product.
I've heard that it's generally not a good idea to treat neonate snakes with any of the commercial mite sprays. If it was not a severe infestation, I would probably have just disinfected their cages and given them a soak in water with a light solution of dish soap a couple times.

If you haven't already, I would move any of the sick animals into different cages that weren't treated with mite spray.
Thanks for letting us learn from your unfortunate experience. I hope the sick animals recover.
Chris

oldherper Jul 18, 2003 01:04 PM

Eublepharid geckoes are known not to tolerate certain chemicals that are commonly used as mite treatments. Some snakes are known to react negatively also. Normally, the symptoms will subside over a period of time after the chemical is removed. 2.2 Dichlorovinyl dimethyl phosphate has been shown to cause neurological symptoms in some reptiles, as well as others.

This is why I prefer to use a spray of .1% Ivomec for mites. Much safer and just as effective.

LvnWtr4u Jul 18, 2003 02:35 PM

sorry about your loss. i'm new to the herp scene and was wondering if there is a more natural/ or less envasive treatment for mites. Somewhere I read about pest strips? luckliy I don't have the problem at the moment

jones Jul 18, 2003 11:52 PM

Like oldherper, I use ivermectin.I believe it's been shown to be harmless to almost all species of snake if used correctly. However, I think it's fatal to turtles but I may be wrong. Anyway it works on snakes but the only place I know where to get it is the vet. I have a friendly vet that helps me out with perscriptions sometimes. Wish I had a doctor like that. lol
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dan felice Jul 18, 2003 04:09 PM

of the two was the culprit. i bought 1 can of provent-a-mite 2 years ago and have not seen a mite since and have never lost a snake due to treatment. i have nothing but accolades for that product. truly sorry to hear of your loss.......

oldherper Jul 18, 2003 04:57 PM

That's entirely possible. Especially considering the Bullsnakes were effected. They are usually pretty tough critters. When you start compounding chemicals like that, it's hard to know what you are going to come up with unless you are a Chemist.

the nerve Jul 21, 2003 01:17 AM

I've also read on Pro Exotic's website that geckos are sensitive to some chemicals in mite treatments. They use Black Knight on all their snakes and monitors, and never had a problem, but I don't think they use it on geckos.

Sorry bout your loss.
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