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I was wondering if snow hondurans have any value now? What is the going price that these animals are really selling for?

I am crackin up over here LOL! Please don't be mad I said that...but if you check the classifieds you will get your answer. Prices have a big in between as far as the highest to lowest prices you'll see which really stinks as people should try a little harder to keep these snakes from appearing that they are on the decline. One thing I personally love about Snows is that the babies look neat and all.....but the adults are seriously outstanding animals. They're becoming more common, but are not by any means in huge numbers that I am aware of? If any snake deserves a bit of a high pricetag....I think it is this one. I hope to produce some in a year or two...I can't wait
Tom Stevens

How do the Hondurans compare on average in size to the Brooks Kings? I've never kept Hondurans, so I was curious how the respective adults compared size wise to each other. Thanks.

Steve

This is my female I got the babies from this year. She is 3 years old and a solid 5 foot if not larger. These average just a bit bigger than the Brooksi, but the Hondurans can reach much larger lengths....it is just not all that common. I really like both, I have more Brooksi and Hondos than anything. Both can eat you out of house and home and are usually easy to care for. Both also have many morphs to fool with. Now my adult breeder male is at least 4 foot but not as girthy. He eats a lot when he is hungry, but since he is a horny devil he usually has other things on his mind LOL. I have another large male that is roughly 5 foot and very heavily bodied. Mainly because I raised it thinking it was a female and stuffed him LOL. Baby Hondurans are a pain, but once they get some size on them they are a joy to work with. I will have to get your email and send you more info, I mean I covered the basics but there's other things worth mentioning but this post would be 5 pages long LOL ttyl
Tom Stevens

That is an fat Anery Tom! I guess its het albino?
Dave Stevens

I shoulda mentioned she is gravid, and laid 14 eggs soon after that pic was taken. She is het Hypo, and mothered the few pics I posted. I have an 04 Snow project pair and the female is way too small for next year. However the male[in my Snow project] is a Tangerine Albino het Anery possible het Hypo. I am tempted to breed him to this female pictured and see if I get any Hypos to prove him out...but with the capability of these snakes retaining sperm it is not the best idea. Tom Stevens

That was a super clean anery you posted earier. Congratulations Brother!!!
HA HA
Dave Stevens

O'yaaa that was a cool ghost too.
Later

That is a beautiful Hondruan you have Tom. Thanks for the info on size. No doubt a much larger snake then my Pueblan & Mexican Milks. It is interesting all the morphs Houdurans are coming out with. I'm sure you go through some mice feeing all those brooksi and hondurans.

Steve

Snows are one of my favorites too. I think the breeders should hold there honduran prices at the current market value. There already low enough! If someone wants one the'll pay the price.I saw a ballpython going for $20,000.00! Come on, it was no comparison to some of the hondo morphs.

Bad Pic I know!

>>I was wondering if snow hondurans have any value now? What is the going price that these animals are really selling for?

I'm sold out of this year's males but was high female so have a few of them left. Snows are still the highest priced of the frequently available honduran morphs (i.e., they're still more costly and in more demand than ghosts; a hybino comparison isn't apples-to-apples because though i've got an order for hybinos at about twice what a snow costs, only one baby's been produced (not by me, by a customer) and the clutch i have that COULD produce hybinos should, statistically, produce only one.) So anyway, exclude hybinos and the snows are still the most costly.

I agree with tom, by the way, that the adults are far more distinctive than juveniles (see photo--and it doesn't have nearly as bright yellow as some of my others...they're really very distinctive from all other hondo morphs).

but here's a pricing observation: with almost every morph, sooner or later someone gets big ideas and holds back stock to produce beaucoup specimens of a particular type, lured perhaps by the price of a single animal. Sometimes those breeders don't already have a wide network of customers, or haven't been in the biz long enough to have established a reputation to assure buyers, no matter how honest they might be, so it's hard for them to quickly* get their desired price. they panic--or, in fairness, sometimes they urgently need money for a family emergency--so they drop the price, not recognizing that there may be other issues besides the price that are slowing sales. I know one nice fella who asked me, "what's happened to the honduran market?" -- one week after his babies hatched. What could i say? I know one fella produced more snows this year than i have in any year among the many in which snows have been one of my favorite projects. So yes, he faces unusual selling challenges: a guy or gal who produces one or two has one or two to sell and will sell them at a reasonable price over a couple months; a person with ten from a season needs to expect to either take longer or reduce prices. Most people will make the sensible choice of protecting their investment by taking some time: I'm used to my last hondo babies of all types selling sometime during the first quarter of the next year, and when they have all sold by the end of the year in which they hatched i'm thrilled. Not everyone who will eventually buy an animal is sitting waiting to buy them in the second week of september. People's needs change, their finances change, all sorts of things change. Prices will fluctuate, the quality of the animals and service and guarantees will fluctuate. And as has been observed in this thread, the best measure of what they're selling for is in the classifieds.

another pricing observation: prices always go down. that should be expected. the only exception i can remember was when albino hondos appeared and people realized they could be used with anerythristics to create (after a generation or two of work) "snow" hondurans. the anery price, which had been at 900-1,000 ea for years but had recently dropped to maybe 600, bumped back up to around 800, because everyone wanted them to use with their newly acquired albinos, or the albinos they hoped to acquire in the next couple years. It's all about supply and demand.

terry

I agree with Terry. Remember that all of these animals have two sorts of value, investment and intrinsic. On Terry's pricelist on his website he gives a very nice history of his prices and sales results over the last several years. That should give you some idea as to how the market fluctuates year to year. Snows are becoming more available, and less expensive, so what part of that is bad? They are still, as far as i can figure, the top of the heap as far as colubrid prices go, and certainly at or near the top for being kick-ass, i want one snakes. See how many you can pick up for a song, and how many are still around in November. It's early September, there's still lots and lots of game to be played. Kurt D.