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was just curious what the difference between a black leucistic rat and a texas leucistic rat snake? how do they do as pets? is one calmer then the other? how big do they get? and pretty much any other experiance you may have with this breed. Just trying toget info on this sanke before i decide to purchase it. any help is appreciated thnx
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

Leucistic Texas Rats heads are shaped different and they get longer than the Black Rat. Their temperments are a little more fiesty too. I have a female around two years old. She's already approaching 4ft. Her father is enormous 6ft, so i expect she'll be about the same. She's relatively calm. She only tried to bite me once and it was just a peck. I highly recommend them. They're absolutely beautiful snakes when they fully mature.

http://www.cornsnakes.net/otherprice.php3

so there really isn't too much difference in the two? how come the black leucistic is a little more expensive then the texas leucistic? also about how thick do they get? about as thick as kings or are they skinnier? srry for all the noob questions just don't know too much about em, and can't find too much info on them on the web. any other info i should know about em? anyone have adult pics? thnx for all the help
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

The leucistic black rat is more expensive because people have not been breeding them as long. In my opinion, the MAIN difference IS the price, although texas rats DO have a reputation. I personally feel that the leucistic texas rat is a better value for your dollar. But IF the cost is not an issue, and IF you don't want to work with a snake that MAY start out a bit nippy (either can, the texas has a slightly higher chomp factor) than get the black rat. One final note: There is some question as to whether some of the Leucistic black rats out there are "pure" black rats or if they originated via texas rat strains.

My leucistic texas rat is a "bugeye" ... A breeder/friend gave him to me (free) since he is not "worth" much in terms of money. Some people actually like the bugeye look, although the value is considered less. If you find them interesting looking you should be able to negotiate an even better price for one.

Good luck. ALL the North American ratsnakes are awesome animals.

Duffy

thnx, I really like the way the leucistic texas rat looks. I think the solid white apperance is awsome. I am not interested in purchasing a bug eye. anything i purchase is possible breeding project so i like to try and stay with good quality animals.how thick in girth do they get? I am not worry about a snake with a attitude, i already have a cal king with one so no prob there. thnx again

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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

They are not a heavy-bodied snake at all. Similar to the other North American Ratsnakes, a 6-foot tx rat is not a huge animal. And you are right on the money...If you plan to breed you don't want to mess with the bugeyes. You will actually want to try to weed out (if possible/reliable dealer) animals that are het for bugeye or have known bugeye lineage. They just don't $ell the $ame. Good luck... Duffy

his name is Ojo

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do you happen to know if south mountain and or cherryville has good stock with out bug eye? i assume they do. your bugeye is cute in a weird odd sort of way lol.
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---> ROBERT

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what about amazone reptile center? anyone ever get any from either of these 3 breeders? thnx
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---> ROBERT

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No bug eyes here!

That's awesome.

I have heard of very few leucistic black rat snakes.
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i honestly don't see the difference between texas rat and black leucistic rat snakes. is it just size? is the black rat have more gerth? i dunno, just don't see it

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---> ROBERT

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is TEMPERMENT! texas rats are known to be notoriously nippy.... My albino black rats have never tried even once to bite me! and the black rat will cost about $20 more on south mountain
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>>is TEMPERMENT! texas rats are known to be notoriously nippy.... My albino black rats have never tried even once to bite me! and the black rat will cost about $20 more on south mountain
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>so the black leucistic and the texas get the smae size and everything, its just mostly temperament? I have been thinking of buy from south mt, are they a good breeder? don't know much about em. thnx for the info
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

Over the past few years I have had over 20 American rat snakes. Four have been Texas Rat Snakes. None of my Texans have been biters. I think that this is all a myth. You get a young CB Black, Texas, Yellow, Everglades, or Gray, handle it often and gently, and you will have a nice adult. These snakes only differ in color.

Another myth, from what I can tell, is that of a pure breed leucistic Black Rat Snake. I have never seen a single report of anyone finding one in the wild, (They become lunch too quickly.) At this point in time, if you were to find one in the wild, (except maybe in very remote wilderness areas) you would have to consider the possibility that it was a pet that escaped since these snakes are now common in the trade. Since the subspecies of obsoleta (obsoletus) differ morphologically only in color, how could you tell one subspecies from another when they lack all the cells that produce skin color?

I disagree very much.... Although I agree that MOST every snake (american rats) will calm down with regular handling I know for a fact that there are still those who won't! A friend of mine had a texas rat that he had had since it was a month old....after a year of regular handling it was still hellspawn (had a bite mark to prove it) and there are 2 more texas rats that I have come into contact with that had basically identical stories. I have only come into contact with 1 black rat that was like that. Also the reason I support the black rats so heavily on disposition is because a few years ago I caught a 6' black rat and after a week of captivity it never even tried to bite me! I'm sure there are similar experiences with the texas rats too but in my experience it has been the black rats that are calm when handled and the texas that go for your fingers!
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I have a Trans-Pecos that was hard to tame. Does that mean that most Trans-Pecos Rat Snakes are harder to tame then say Black Rat Snakes.

As a rule, as an animal such as a Rat Snake gets handled, it reacts less to being handled, also as the animal grows, it becomes calmer. They just seem to know that there are less things that will try to eat them.

Your one Texas Rat and my one Trans-Pecos Rat says nothing about Texas or Trans-Pecos Rats in general. Why don't we ask readerd the question: How many of us have CB Texas rat Snakes that are not biters?

I have two of them at this time, and both are very calm animals.

I think there's noway to tell the differents between the two except the price ....I don't think there pure just my 2cents ...A wild caught blk rat Washington county MD

Great looking Black Rat!!!

I think you are right about using a name to jack up the price. As for myself, I want my Black Rats to be black.

Thanks for the post.