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Nobody should feel bad for finding a home for an animal that doesnt fit them.

As long as the animal isnt dumped off, or allowed to die due to neglect, then this is perfectly accetpable. Its better for all involved, if the person realizes that they made a mistake, and learns from it. Then takes the time to make sure that the animal finds a suited caretaker.

Its no different then putting your child up for adoption. You realize that you are not ready for that particular job, and you must make a decision that is best for the both of you.

In all actuality, its really the right thing to do.

"Its no different then putting your child up for adoption. You realize that you are not ready for that particular job, and you must make a decision that is best for the both of you.

In all actuality, its really the right thing to do."

Norcalherps,
Maybe you have heard what the possitives of 'adoption of children' can be, but you have apparently NEVER seen the negatives of it! Having and giving Children away because you are not ready or fit to be a parent for a child is one thing - much different than for a puppy or cat! If you were intelligent YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD THAT CHILD IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! - But alas it is not always so - I have seen children bring their new babies to school showing them off as a door-prize! Stupidy begets stupidity....and I disagree with your statement as written....perhaps you should rephrase it?

It is good to give a lizard away for adoption rather than see it die - but perhaps people should learn FIRST about the animals BEFORE they get them, feed them, become bored with them, etc.. and give them away, let them go, neglect them etc....this throw away society is horrible in United States - from our senior citizens to our babies and Mans' best friend, the dog - and lesser friends the cat, snake and lizard....how sad. This 'attitude' has got to be reversed...its called RESPONSIBILITY....
mbayless

Youre entirely correct. People should probably think first. But they dont, and it would be expecting too much to think that they ever will. -A generalization about the population as a whole.
However, I think that if someone posess the ability to learn, and tries to "right their wrongs" (whatever that means), then at least thats a step in a positive direction.
People will continue to make poor choices, its part of life. Im not going to judge anyone for anything, as I dont feel that its my right.

I just think that it would be more helpful to try and foster a positive environment, and not be quick to judge those who dont behave in a manner which is condusive to our belief systems. Whatever those may be.

>>It is good to give a lizard away for adoption rather than see it die - but perhaps people should learn FIRST about the animals BEFORE they get them, feed them, become bored with them, etc.. and give them away, let them go, neglect them etc....this throw away society is horrible in United States - from our senior citizens to our babies and Mans' best friend, the dog - and lesser friends the cat, snake and lizard....how sad. This 'attitude' has got to be reversed...its called RESPONSIBILITY....
>>mbayless

Using your mentality:

"There are a good number of large docile monitors out there, and its not such a terrible thing to want one. If I was in your situation, I would get rid of this one, and find one thats already use to human contact"

...and then applying it to your analogy about putting your children up for adoption:

"Its no different then putting your child up for adoption"

What you are suggesting here would be the same thing as if somebody were to say that they are adopting out their baby because it cries too much and won't settle down, with the hopes of having a new baby that is more pleasant and silent.

That has got to be one of the most irresponsible tidbits of 'advice' that I've ever heard on any of these online fora...
Like RSG said below, you are insinutating that these animals are "disposable".... Just keep trying until you get what you want.... How foolish....poor animals

I suppose if you want to take it out of context.

The point was, that sometimes animals/ children are better off with different caretakers. -Whatever those reasons may be.

Man, I though I used horrible analogies. That one really sucks. The responsibility of monitor ownership, compared to a human baby, Wow.

The problem with this and many other things about monitors is its not black and white, its degrees. Not all cases are alike, as not all peceptions are alike.

For instance, doing research is buying a petshop monitor book. That is surely the most common mode of rearch and perfectly suitable for most. But not here hey.

We all have different views, for instance, I think its better to allow monitors a full life, even if it means a shorter one(no proof of that yet, just common preception) I would rather see monitors have a social life, even with its ups and downs, then being kept in solitary to protect it from what we do not understand.

I think keepers are responsible for a living creature, and should do what they can to provide for their charges. IF they are not willing to continue, then get them to someone who will.

But surely thats not close to putting a human baby up for adoption. I guess with your attitude, running over a bird or reptile is the same as running over a person. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, maybe you have a point. FR

-Or maybe I hold animals in the same high regard as children. There could be that possibility. haha

I dont have kids, nor am I ever around kids, so my views on them is probably different than those who associate with them.

Its no different then putting your child up for adoption. You realize that you are not ready for that particular job, and you must make a decision that is best for the both of you.

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selfish!!!!!!!!!!!!coward!!!! sad. sure this is not what you wanted to say, at least I hope not.

So, you would advise a crackhead(with no intention of changing their lifestyle) to keep and raise a child?

Or perhaps a 14 year old who doesnt have family support and is prosituting herself?

Or an over all dysfunctional person, whos life is choatic and they would severly abuse their child?

Are these people suitable caretakers for children? Probably not. Not saying that they should keep having children, but only realize that they were not suited and that the best thing would be adoption.

Its just a learning process. Life, that is.

This is what I mean when I am talking about the girl with the albig. If she can learn something from the situation, then there is no harm done. IMHO

Maybe she will take more time to find an animal that is more fitting to her needs.

You all have particular animals that fit your needs, whether you want to admit it or not. If you didnt like them, you wouldnt have them. But for some reason the animals you OWN meet some need that you have. They are fulfilling something for all of you. SO, this said, we are all selfish in some way, and use animals for our own pleasure.

I heard you clearly, and my reply is to every one that reads no exceptions.

If your to week to show the examples, at least follow them.

Raising children’s by societies rules is our duty and helping those in need is our civil responsibility. Man’s plague is the lack of natural selection. Thank god they are starting to kill us with diseases.

Wow, I think the original post is being taken way out of context...

I'm not exactly sure why this post was made...but it makes sense to me...

Most first time exotic owners do not take into account how large that adorable tiny lizard or snake they saw in the pet store is going to get. In fact, the pet store selling that reptile may not even know! These reptiles will generally get neglected and in the worst cases die an early death. All that we can do is try to educate both individuals and stores about the care and maintance of these animals.

Last weekend a friend of mine told me his neighbor was looking to rehome a 2 year old white throat. Steven called me due to my "no fear" attitude toward reptiles, and the fact that I have the space and means to house him properly. The previous owner didn't want to let him go, but due to his long work days, he decided it would be best for Kujo (the monitor) to be rehomed. He was allowed to free roam a computer room his entire life. Easy for him to tangle up in electrical cords and get his nails stuck in the carpet. He has a wonderful temperment, good size and weight. I also know the previous owner loved him very much.

In an ideal world, Kujo's rehomeing would happen with every reptile that grew to big for its owner. But it doesn't. Florida has a very large population of Burmese Pythons living and breeding in the everglades due to illresponsible owners.

Instead of attacking this poster...Think about what he was trying to say...Don't rip apart his (or her) post and cause an argument...

I also agree that is things are not working out it is best to find the monitor a home that would be better for the monitor. I have seen many people keep animals that should not have them. It is not always the fault of the people, though sometimes it is.
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"So, you would advise a crackhead(with no intention of changing their lifestyle) to keep and raise a child?

Or perhaps a 14 year old who doesnt have family support and is prosituting herself?

Or an over all dysfunctional person, whos life is choatic and they would severly abuse their child? "

Christine, would you recommend that any of these people make another baby after giving up their first?

Here is your previous advice.

"If I was in your situation, I would get rid of this one, and find one thats already use to human contact"

At some point in all of our lives we have to give up a pet for one reason or another. Doing so because you do not like the nature of the species only to get another of the same species is irresponsible. For every one monitor that is "tame" there are 1,000 that are not. Monitors are not animals to be forced into submission and traded off when they don't conform to the ideals so misrepresented in movies or the occasional picture on the internet.
Have you been to an animal shelter lately? They are full of dogs that started out as cute puppies that grew up and chewed the rug, or cats that pissed the floor. People decided to trade them in for a new puppy or kitten that didn't have these bad (natural) behaviors only to find that most do (hence behavior training).
Same with monitors, 99% are grumpy animals that will never enjoy human contact. Appreciate and respect them for what they are, don't try to make them something they are not and don't recommend that someone trade them in for a better model. The better model may be just as flawed (normal monitor behavior).

But why put them up for adoption at all, as there are already so many in such a state, and paralleledly such a shortage of protein in the world? There is indeed an answer to the large monitor problem, one which people who cohabit with these creatures in many parts of the world have already discovered. Not only would this take care of excess pets, but would also prevent further naturalization in the Everglades and undo the shortage of protein at all of the understocked campsites that are struggling to provide for the thousands of displaced Katrina victims.

Big mistake monitors are not a problem, but rather a symptom of the human condition. As one already pointed out with regards to that sweet Dr. Phil-ish analogy of the child adoption, most orphaned kids are a product of apathetic, mistake-prone parents rather than an educated "whups" decision-making process. Most people get big monitors for the macho factor or because these animals look truly impressive. It is an interest in the animals' appearance and not in the behavior. This seems an overwhelming case for so many herps - who CARES about how significant their ecologies may be!? This kind LOOKS so neat. Many of the most behaviorally interesting (and practical!) common herps are absent from the hobby. If any of the majority of the people who purchase salvator and niloticus were to read one paper about natural home range and nutrient cycling (how much organismal mass these animals turn into bacteria fertilizer) in either species (and understand the implications), I would no longer have a modest proposal because all of the collectors in Africa and Asia would have no U.S. market for the animals other than what I already proposed above.
-Johnathan Swift

Choice of wine? I have read that reds go well with darker cuts of meat, while whites compliment fish and chicken well...

i too am not around kids, except the ones who come in to the vet with the new puppy and scream at me when the puppy cries cuz its getting a vax...im not having kids cuz i know better

but on to your post... as a rescue/rehabber, id much rather deal with even the meanest animals who have lost the trust of people (or never got one) then to see them die, and have a few the illnever really bond with but they are alive and not slowly dieing with the old owners.

of course in AN IDEAL WORLD, THE PEOPLE WOULD RESEARCE WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO!! the 6 inch iggy is so cute and the kid at the pet store said "put him by a window and feed him some greens and he will be fine" 3 years latter when they dont have the $$ to fix the abcess on his face, or the MBD he has developed, he is now living at my house and is lovingly named a$$ h*le, becasue they were afraid to handle him.

norcal- i hope some people get the message of your post, and dont stay stuck on the neg. view!