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Picking up a pair of bairds today, couple of questions??

robertIII Sep 11, 2005 12:48 PM

Ok here is the scoop, I a recent trade i got 2 bairds hatchlings 1.1, anyways I read up on em and what not, but still have a few questions. one i have read conflicting info on weather or not you can keep them togeather in the same cage? anyone know? also as a hatchling, one pinky a wekk will be good correct? I have never had rat snakes, only kings, so just trying to make sure on a few things. anyother info that you may want to share on this breed is greatly appreciated. I will post pics later today when i get them. thnx all
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

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RobertIII Sep 11, 2005 03:49 PM

>>Ok here is the scoop, I a recent trade i got 2 bairds hatchlings 1.1, anyways I read up on em and what not, but still have a few questions. one i have read conflicting info on weather or not you can keep them togeather in the same cage? anyone know? also as a hatchling, one pinky a wekk will be good correct? I have never had rat snakes, only kings, so just trying to make sure on a few things. anyother info that you may want to share on this breed is greatly appreciated. I will post pics later today when i get them. thnx all
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>>---> ROBERT
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>>I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

RobertIII Sep 11, 2005 03:50 PM

just realized the dates are wrong on the photo hehe! just thought i would let you know
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

draybar Sep 11, 2005 04:32 PM

Everyone makes their own decisions but I just thought I would offer this piece of advise, information or whatever you would like to call it.

COHABITATION
MY OPINION

I feel it is best to keep snakes separate.
I know a lot of people keep multiple snakes together without problems and it can obviously be done without being detrimental to the snakes. I just feel the possible drawbacks need to be expressed.
When a person gets the experience and knowledge of their individual snakes and wants to try cohabitation, that is up to them. They just need to be careful and able to read the subtle signs of their snakes.
There can be definite drawbacks.
If one snake becomes sick there is a very good likelihood the other/others will get sick as well.
It may also take a while (usually too long) to determine which one is the sick one.
If one regurgitates its food you won't know which one unless you happen to get lucky and see it.
If one has a problem stool you won't know which one. Once again one may have a problem but by the time you figure out which one the other/others could end up with the same problem.
Although this is only a slight possibility, it is still a possibility and has been know to happen, one snake could eat the other. The smell of a prey item could trigger one snake to eat the other. Or simple hunger accompanied by a ready food source.
Although uncommon, it has happened and is a possibility.
Another possibility is unwanted pregnancy. A female might get pregnant and you may not have the knowledge, desire or ability to incubate the eggs or raise the hatchlings. With hatchlings comes the responsibility to raise them or find them homes.
A lot of people rationalize by saying, "I will just put two males or two females together". That can work but mistakes can easily be made, especially with hatchlings. You could easily end up with a male and female.
There is also a chance of a female breeding too young or too small and becoming eggbound. Although uncommon, it IS a possibility and can happen.
With multiple snakes in an enclosure you stand the chance of loosing all of them if there happens to be an avenue of escape. Instead of losing one you could loose two or more depending on how many you decide to place together.
One or both of the snakes could be stressed by the presence of the other. Stress can cause a drop in appetite and lead to other health problems as well.
People will put multiple snakes in an enclosure and ask why one isn't eating.
When they are told it is probably due to stress caused by the other snake, the response is almost always the same "they like each other, they are always under the same hide together". Well this probably just means "that" hide or area of the tank has the optimum conditions they are looking for.
Snakes do not LIKE each other or ENJOY each other’s company.
There is no capacity for snakes to "like" or "enjoy".
I have kept multiple snakes together, without problems, but have made a choice to keep them separate. There is NO clear argument on why you SHOULD keep them together but there ARE clear arguments as to why you SHOULD NOT.
So, in my opinion, although people do it successfully I just don't think it is worth the risk.
If you decide to keep multiple snakes together, watch closely for any signs of appetite loss, regurgitation or any kind of "personality" change. These could all be signs of stress.
You would also want to feed them in separate containers and give them an hour or so before putting them back together.
My 2 cents

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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robertIII Sep 11, 2005 04:58 PM

Thnx, I have decided not to keep em togeather. just too many reasons not to, especially since they are male and female. anyways i appreciate the help. overall the biards seem like they will be a good snake, never had a biards, so i will see, but from what i read they are great snakes!
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

draybar Sep 11, 2005 06:39 PM

>>Thnx, I have decided not to keep em togeather. just too many reasons not to, especially since they are male and female. anyways i appreciate the help. overall the biards seem like they will be a good snake, never had a biards, so i will see, but from what i read they are great snakes!
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>>---> ROBERT

You won't regret it.
Bairds rat snakes are GREAT snakes.
You will thoroughly enjoy their transformation as they mature.
Enjoy

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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RobertIII Sep 11, 2005 07:31 PM

wow beautiful snake! yeah, i am new to rat snakes, just got out of kings, i only had one, but i did not appreciate the constant musking and etc. anyways hopefully some time soon, i will be getting a leucistic texas rat snake hatchling as well. Then the wife says thats all but we will see haha.
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

Steve_Craig Sep 12, 2005 03:55 PM

Like Draybar said, you can't go wrong with Bairdi Ratsnakes. I have an 04 male and I can't say enough good things about these snakes. Mine is pictured below.
Also on a side note, I'm a big lover of kingsnakes also, and many of them are as calm and docile as any snake out there. You would be hard pressed to find a calmer snake then my Florida king, Eastern king, or even my Mexican Black. Just wanted to say don't let one musking king keep you from enjoying these awesome snakes also. I have a huge Mexican black over five foot, and he's as tractable as any Ball Python.

wow beautiful snake! yeah, i am new to rat snakes, just got out of kings, i only had one, but i did not appreciate the constant musking and etc. anyways hopefully some time soon, i will be getting a leucistic texas rat snake hatchling as well. Then the wife says thats all but we will see haha.
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---> ROBERT
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robertIII Sep 12, 2005 06:09 PM

I agree, not all kingsnakes are bad, but at the moment i am loving my biards! they are so cool. My king would always hide and hardly ever come out at night, but man oh man the biards are extremly active. great little snakes. how big do they get? i have heard six feet, any truth to this? also how long do you think a hatchling would be able to stay in a 10 gallon? also i just fed them each a pinky, at the male "Odin" at right away, no probs, but the female "Freya" was a little shy and i had to put her in a container for about 15 min before she at. are they normally shy eaters? thay are very fascinating snakes
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---> ROBERT

I Fear Two things in Life.GOD and MY WIFE!!

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