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So I'm checking to see what the rest of the eggs contain in my clutch that produced my first hybino. I never expected to see this! If it's not apparent in the pic, yes: that's one egg, two heads.

What remains to be seen is whether it's a two-headed snake, or twins. What would you rather it be?

(this is the clutch reported in the thread three or four threads below, titled, "sometimes smart, sometimes lucky". I had NO idea!)

and it gets better: the 3rd and 4th eggs have slit--and they're both hybinos. So a clutch that statistically could be expected to yield one hybino yields three and the fourth egg contains a bonus of some kind.

my wish for each of you: that you also have "good days" like this sometimes. There have been plenty of setbacks and disappointments to offset this.

peace
terry

click here to see pic of this egg with hybino in egg

That's awesome. I hope it's two headed.

It looks to me like the snake on the right has something wrong with it's right eye?
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>>That's awesome. I hope it's two headed.
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>>It looks to me like the snake on the right has something wrong with it's right eye?
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Hey Mike,

You're right. I was so busy counting heads and hybinos i didn't see that. But it's obvious, the eye is grossly oversized. And it looks like one eye on the other hypo might be smaller than normal. Won't be long before they're out of the egg and can be fully assessed. Perhaps it's a consequence of two-in-one, or....

As i said in the original post, there have been plenty of setbacks and disappointments to offset the three-hybinos good news.

This is a horrible pun, but good eye, mike.

peace
terry

the first hypo (there are two) has left the egg and the deformed eye was the least of its problems. Its body was horribly twisted. A shame to see, after the animal succeeds in surviving for so long during incubation.

Who knows more about twinning? Are deformities often associated with it? Do two ovum get shelled by accident? Or is a single ovum shelled that somehow splits in appropriately in development? What's the mechanism?

terry

Sorry to hear that, how's the other one seem (or when it ermerges). A beautiful specimen lost but to science it's a great experiance; not often you see a twin-egg.
-Sean

Congratulations on beating the odds, that a lot of hybinos.

I don’t think much work has been done on twinning in egg-laying animals.

It could be both that two ova shelled together or a single ovum that gets split. I think its most likely that two ova were shelled together (like when a chicken egg has two yolks); if there were a single yolk sac I doubt that both fetuses could develop to term because they would have to share nutrients and there would not be enough for both. Which means you may be able to figure it out by looking at the egg and seeing if there are the remains of two yolk sacs or just one.

I also think that deformities would be the norm in twins from egg-laying animals. There is a finite amount of space to develop into in an egg; since a lot of development is dependent on information cells receive from the environment and other cells, changing either of those things would be bad.

I would love to see pics of twins after they are out of the egg.

Just my thoughts on the subject,
Cheers,
Vinny
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>>I would love to see pics of twins after they are out of the egg.
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Vinny, the two snakes in this pic are one of the hybinos and one of the two hypos that were twinned in a single egg. The first one out of the egg was badly deformed and was euthanized; this one appears to be perfect.

Terry

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>>Vinny, the two snakes in this pic are one of the hybinos and one of the two hypos that were twinned in a single egg. The first one out of the egg was badly deformed and was euthanized; this one appears to be perfect.
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>>Terry

three hybinos from this amazing pairing, i can only imagne how excited are you.
as i already told you i found this pairing one of the most exciting thing that someone can have.
keep doing the good work, and you are more then welcome to send one this way lol

Nevo schwartz

Thats so amazing man, i cant wait to see if its two in one or double headed, what ever it is its a beauty i only wish i could have a snake like that, wish i had money lol. but ur snake is beautiful

What an awesome snake(s?)! I'd love to see pictures when it (them?) emerge!
-Sean

With all those hybinos crawling around in your incubator does this mean they'll get a little cheaper???
Keep Em Hatchin!!
Dave