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I'm wondering what a het for sunglow is. Can anyone please post a picture for me? Pretty please

Thanks much

Natasha

>>I'm wondering what a het for sunglow is. Can anyone please post a picture for me? Pretty please
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>>Thanks much
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>>Natasha

Sunglow is a selectively bred amel containing no white.
So to say a snake is het sunglow is pretty much misleading. (Lie)
Breed a couple of sunglows together you might get a few sunglows and you might not.
So, we can't picture a "het for sunglow" there is no such thing.
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A sunglow is an amel (red albino) that has been selectively bred for many generations for certain traits, like little or no white in the pattern. So a corn can be het for amel, but not for all of the traits that make an amel a sunglow.

It may be easier to understand if you think of it as asking for a het for albino beagle. If one parent was an albino beagle, and the other was a normal colored collie, the dog would be het for albino, but it could not be het for beagle or collie - it would probably exhibit a mixture of the traits of both parent's breeds, or might resemble one parent more than the other, depending on the genes it happens to inherit.

Ah..I think I get it. Thank you Draybar and Kathy.
One more question please just to clear things up in my mind. If a sunglow has very little or no white would it be right that if the albino gene was removed from the sunglow you would be left with a normal corn with little or no black? I dont know if im being very clear but i dont know how else to ask this question
Thanks again for your help.

Nat

You can't "remove" the albino gene from a sunglow....once it is there it's there.... You could breed it for several generations to normals and the chances of geting albinos throughout the generations would severely thin... but that is more a question of odds than "taking out"a gene...
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Road Hog"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches" (Didn't name her!)

I didn't think my question was very clear. That's not really what I meant. I guess what I was asking was are there any normal type (wild type?) corns that have very little or no black? I'm assuming that because a sunglow has very little white that if it was not a albino it would have very little black.
I was just wondering if there are any normal type cornsnakes that are line-bred to have very little black...and if so do these corns have a certain name.
I still don't know if I'm being clear but it's the best I can do (shrug)

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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

The responses so far have been correct. There is no such thing as a 'het for sunglow'. (There's also no such thing as a 'het for miami'...) Some morphs are line-bred, and some are combinations of line breeding and recessive traits. Miami and Okeetee phase (locality Okeetee is different) are examples of line-bred morphs, and sunglow, candycane, and crimson are examples of line-bred morphs which also incorporate recessive traits.

So you could cross a candycane to a sunglow (both are line-bred morphs based on amelanism) and you'd only get amels. They would NOT be het for sunglow or candycane.

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

thank you Kat. It is much more clear to me now
I guess what I was confused about is.....-> I was wondering if I had normal corns with very little black in them that were also het for albino and breed them together if I would produce sunglows. I'm assuming if the normal corns had very little black then the albinos would have very little white making them sunglows. I guess this is wrong? (shrug)
I guess what also confused me is that I saw on a web page (South Mountain) that they were selling het for sunglow. But now I know that can't be....I think

Nat

Somtimes I (and other breeders )take the easy (popular) way and call snakes black albinos instead of anery, het for snow instead of het for anery and amel, or het for sunglow when I really meant amel, from a sunglow parent. Other breeders know exactly what we mean, but it can be confusing for the novice. I do try to keep that in mind, but like other breeders, I sometimes "write in shorthand", so it is good that you are learning how to understand what is behind all of the labels and discussions. You are bound to continue to hear other things that technically aren't quite right, but make sense once you know what they refer to.

Hope that helps explain things somewhat.

i have been reading these post and i am trying to learn about the morphs, tonight i learned that miami phase is a recessive gene??
i guess with the dog thing to here is a good example.
i have a black chow chow, her mother was a cream, the father a black..... i bred her several years ago, because i think she is a georgous dog, she had 5 pups 2 black pups, 1 cream, 1 red, and a blue pup, after getting her lineage heres what i learned, her maternal grand mother was a blue chow, the maternal grandfather was a cream..... the paternal grand mother was a black chow from a red and a black....... the paternal grandfather was a black from a blue and a black........when i bred her i bred her to a black male chow who came from black chow chow lineage.
so sort of she is het for cream, blue and red?

i think way to much i have way to much time on my hands....LOL

you know that they are simple recessive traits, like albino. Some colors in some breeds might be recessive to other colors, but some could be sex linked or inherited in different ways other than simple recessive. I don't know anything about chow colors, so please DON'T EVEN GO THERE, lol! It will just confuse the issue.

Miami phase, like okeetee, beagle, and collie, is not a single recessive trait like albino. It is a whole group of traits that took many generations of selective breeding to acheive (whether by nature or humans) and therefore an animal can not be het for that "breed" or "phase".

ok i see what you mean now, and that was a bad comparision, but hey i tried

"The responses so far have been correct. There is no such thing as a 'het for sunglow'. (There's also no such thing as a 'het for miami'...) Some morphs are line-bred, and some are combinations of line breeding and recessive traits. Miami and Okeetee phase (locality Okeetee is different) are examples of line-bred morphs, and sunglow, candycane, and crimson are examples of line-bred morphs which also incorporate recessive traits.

So you could cross a candycane to a sunglow (both are line-bred morphs based on amelanism) and you'd only get amels. They would NOT be het for sunglow or candycane."
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Thanks again Kat. One more dumb question and then I'm done...I promise
If I understand all this you can not have a het for a line-bred trait such as Okeetee, Miami, crimson and sunglow. Is this right? So, how come I see so many people selling het for albino Okeetee? If Okeetee is a line-bred trait how can you have a het for it in either it's albino or non-albino forms? Wouldn't this be the exact same thing as het for sunglow?
Am I still lost in the woods?

Never mind. I just read Kathy's post. So, I guess what they really mean is het for albino babies from Okeetee parents.
Well, if nothing else I've learnt that names don't mean much in this hobby. And that Kathy is right...it is confusing to the novice like me.

Nat

...check out www.cornguide.com. The book may help alleviate your confusion about morphs and whatnot. (No, I didn't write it... but I did submit a picture for it.)

Anyway... goodluck with learning morph terms. It takes a while but eventually you'll have it down cold.

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

Hey that's a cool link Kat. Thank you!
Hmmm...I'm going to start paying more attention to my biology class. I use to think this stuff was boring but now I kinda like it
Btw..I figured out you can't have a het for albino Okeetee BUT you can have a Okeetee het for albino...I think my little brain is starting to get it.

Nat

Hehehe... I used to think Biology was boring too... And genetics. Interesting how our tastes change as we mature, no? Maybe it's something to do with having a concrete example to play with rather than just staring at a theory with no perceived relevance?

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

but never heard of a lot of these terms in class. Definitely our tastes change (especially when we get into snakes).
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phflame

Boy do I ever know what you mean. For the last two days I've spent about 20 hours on the computer learning about genetics. Everything from Mendel and his peas to how genes convert amino acid into proteins to how DNA instructs genes to make different proteins. Now I LOVE this stuff! I'm now looking at living things with brand new eyes.

And all because my big brother gave me a cornsnake. Life is weird.

Hehe... good for your bro, then. The best part about working with corns is there are so many genes out there to play with... And so many pretty morphs.

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

" Maybe it's something to do with having a concrete example to play with rather than just staring at a theory with no perceived relevance?"

Kat
last night I noticed our oleander bushes had red, white and pink flowers. And it suddenly dawned on me that the pink flowers were pink because the gene that controlled them was of "incomplete dominance" (the blending of two genes.) In this case the blending of red & white. I started looking around at other plants and could see all the genetics I've learned living right in front of me. I was seeing them for the first time. It was such a happy revelation I had to LOL at myself.
Anyway, I just wanted to thank you again for helping me with all my dumb questions.

Natasha