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You do have good questions, but your assumed answers are not related to those questions.

In the early days, I sold many hundreds of ackies, yet none were produced. I would ask my wife(my mentor) where the heck are they going? She did not know, neither did I.

I produced lots of Gilleni and still produce them. Lots of caudos, lots of kingorum, But only a few others continued to produce them. The problem and answer is clear, those that produced them, also produced lots of other species of montiors too. People with a handle of what they were or are doing, had no problems. And conversely, people without a handle, continued to not produce anything of anykind.

Again back years, When I produced Kingorum, and Gilleni, no one would buy them, so I included them in big sales of Ackies and kimberlys and a bonus, instead of lowering prices. Thats how Rare earth got tristis and gilleni. Joe, did not care for kingorum at all. Which means, he wouldn't even take them as a gift.

Why people in the states do not care for the smaller monitors may have to do with one thing. Many of us, can look in our yards and see something similar. That is, we have small lizards all around us. In places like Canada and Northern Europe, they have nothing in their yards to look at. So of course they pay more attention to smaller monitors.

Now back to the problem. If Blinks assoiation with numbers in captivity and no reproduction, then all imports are sterile. With a quarter of a million Savs a year being imported, they must be sterile as heck. Or all but a couple Croc monitors are sterile. Or all the peachies, rudis(except Goons) bluetails, timors(a few exceptions), prasinus complexers, etc. They all are sterile, as numbers have been imported year after year without captive reproduction. So Blink, your arguement is groundless, unless you admitt all monitors (but a precious few) are sterile, all imports, all dwarfs, and most larger ones. Well I guess I better go throw out my eggs, cause they came from sterile females. Thanks and think, FR

What about the Clear-as-day imbalance in the animals that are being captive produced?? 99.9% of the monitors that are being captive produced in this country originate from Captive Bred parents(ackies, tristis.....). Here we are seeing success based on a population of perhaps several thousand CB monitors, whereas you look at the MILLIONS of WC monitors, that are not seeing any success whatsoever.

To me,looking at these statistics and ratios, it would appear that CB animals are much easier to keep and breed than wild caughts, does it not?

Now the puzzling part... We see regular success with ackies, tristis, glauerti, pilbarensis, etc.. but why do we not see the same level of success with other captive bred species, such as gilleni, caudos, kingorum, varius, mertensi, etc.. What makes them so different and "difficult" when compared to the ones frequently being produced.

So why do these five or so CB species have such a poor record(comparable to WC statistics) of breeding in captivity? What makes them so different???

You sit around thinking about questions with no answers instead of working on the problem. I think that also is a bit Mark like.

One thing you forget to add to your equations, and that is, all C.B. monitors came from W.C. monitors.

I had no problems with the species you mentions and neither did some others. For instance, As I mentioned, Bronz zoo, produced mertens until they could not find a place to put them.

Why others don't copy is beyond me. I think its because they think like you seem to be thinking. You are more concerned thinking about the problems of other people, then tackling the problems themselves.

Many here think copying is cheating or something, kinda like tracing for an artist, problem is, artist trace. In fact, an artist, uses whatever tools will help do the project. Same with monitors, I will copy, invent, cheat, even read, to gain a foot hold on them. If you came up with a method that worked, I would borrow it so quickly your head would spin.

All in all, your indepth questions are of absolutely no value to breeding monitors, whether they are true or not. Whats of value is to CONCENTRATE, on the monitors, that is get them, listen to them, and be consistant and not set in your ways. Then you may succeed. I bet, you have not even attempted to keep or breed most of the species you mentioned, so what the heck do you know??????

Again, I could sit around and wonder why others are doing or not doing what the heck they are doing, to fail. But that doesn't concern me. What concerns me is my monitors.

In the end, I have pics, memories, and offspring of what I have done. You have a headacke. Good luck, FR

I think you just cant bring yourself to admit the truth of the matter on many of these species. In general, most monitors require the same resources, only differing amounts.
Its pretty obvious as FR stated many people dont want to use what works, why, its too much work, too much money, too much against what they were told or believe.
There are lots of ackies being bred all over now, they require pretty much the same things as an argus, etc etc, only differing amounts, and the bigger the animal the bigger the space needed, the bigger that cage the more difficult conditions become to keep properly, the more room for error, and more errors that can happen, the more different problems occur.
So, understanding this, the examples that are obviuous and as I posted before are lacies, and mertens, both are larger, both are more expensive, both require much much more of everything, also mertens like water, this may add to the confusion and throw a monkey wrench in that needs fixed. Other species you mentioned are much more expensive, and most keepers with expensive monitors are not gonna buy a pair, its expensive. If someone is willing to spend the money on a pair, they are more willing to do whats needed to be sucessful with expensive species.
An example you mention, WC to CB, yes WC animals are more difficult to keep, and to keep sucessfully, they have issues that have to be dealt with, they are different, they were free once, they miss that, CB have never seen freedom, they dont know what they are missing. CB are living on instinct to grow, live, be safe, and reproduce, no monkey wrenches to confuse things.
The best examples in our hobby are almost all WC, bosc, nile, water, etc, why do they have the worst record in captive reproduction, answer, their keepers care.