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I would like to state my opinion on Hybinos and Pearls and get everyone's opinion as well.

I have been waiting to see the Hybinos and what they would look like for a couple of years now. Well finally we have some definate Hybinos. Robert Seib and Terry Dunham have produced some beautiful Hybinos. Congradulations to both of them on being the first to knowingly produce Hybinos. I see that the price for these is well over 5000, and I started to think to myself. Aren't these just Tangerine Albinos that are homo Hypo? Yes. And granted they are beautiful, problably some of the nicest Tangerine Albino ever produced. But again it's just a Tangerine albino. So now you have a Hybino male which you can breed to your hypos and get all hypos het albino and you can breed the hybino to a plain albino and get all albinos het hypo. Breed them back together and you get Hybinos and Albino hets and hypo hets. Breed the Hybino together you get all Hybinos. I do not get it. It's still just a tangerine albino. Should they comand such a high sticker price? Now granted you can breed hybino x various hets and get closer to a triple homo animal, but this can also be done with much cheaper animals and take the same time. I have heard a great deal of hype regarding triple homo snows and the value they will bring to the Honduran market as well as the price tag they will carry. But again is it not just another snow. OK so I can breed it to my hypos and get all hypos and this will reduce the number of male I need to keep. But again it's still just a snow. I want to see new color and pattern morphs, am I alone here? Again I am not trying to upset anyone working on the Pearl or Hybino project I just don't get it. If I am missing something of value please share with me what the value of these animals truly will be. Will they produce something never before seen? Please share your thoughts with me-I might be missing something. Regards John

John,
I agree that the triple homo (pearl)won't be eye candy as some of the killer tangerine animals are or some of the hypos are but the value of the animal will be high simply because it will replace just about everything in your collection.There will be no more guessing on whats what?everything it throws will be 100% het.No more possibl hets of any kind whats so ever.Breed a ghost to it and you will get all ghosts that are het for amel,breed a snow to it and get all snows that are het hypo etc...............so on and so forth,so you see were this animal will be very valuble.
Just think,a couple male pearls and it would clear out about ten cages in your snake room?It would also make every baby you produce so much easier to sell cause it would be visual whatever then 100%het for all the other traits.

Shannon

The price on Hybinos and Pearls will be dictated by supply and demand down the line. The few Hybinos on the market right now don't seem to be moving at the asking price. Are they in demand, I would think so, with only a hand full out there, pretty normal for prices to be high. The market will fix itself eventually...

You bring their looks on the table, valid point but as Shannon mentioned, the genotype of Pearls and Hybinos is the key. I wouldn't mind cutting back to 2-4 males to service an army of females!

Another point that can't be overlooked, with the Extreme and possibly calicos coming into play, there is still lots to be learned from crossing all of these together!

I am still puzzled by the spectacular honduran Jeff Alloway hatched last year. You've told me it was produced from triple hets. I would speculate that a Pearl or Hybino would help us produce more of such surprises at a faster rate.

Great post, anxious to hear from others....
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Marc Bouchard
Selectively Bred Serpents
www.selectively-bred-serpents.ca

Marc, Shannon

You both make excellent points. I can see the Pearl as an advantage. Less males to keep, no more hets etc. My confussion I guess comes with the price of these animals and the focuse placed on them. Marc you mentioned Jeff's unusual animal from last year. Now that's what I am talking about. I want to see more of this... new colors, patterns etc. I would think the price of new visual morph would carry a much higher price tag then a hybino or pearl. Again just my thoughts and opinion. I was at Jeff's last week and let me tell you that thing he produced is INCREDIBLE. Never seen anything like it.

I did not start this post to upset anyone working with Hybino or Pearl projects. "I want that to be clear".They are beautiful animals and deserve a higher price. I was just curious as to what some of you other guys were thinking. I am more focused on producing new visual morphs and was lucky to get something a little different this year. Next year I hope to have even more neat stuff. I have the female that produced Shannons hypo extreme tricolor he recently posted here. I am hoping to breed her to the possible Hybino male that produced my VP Albinos this year.

John

To try and keep it simple it is safe to say the steep price is because those lucky enough to have males will produce easier to sell high dollar offspring in the future. The look of the Hybino makes it strictly a snake for breeders...and not pets as you can own a knockout Tangerine Albino for so much less money. I wish I had a Hybino male...that is for sure, but in all honestly the Extreme and Tri Color Hypos are just as exciting as far as the roles they may play into when mixed with other more common morphs. Tom Stevens

"Another point that can't be overlooked, with the Extreme and possibly calicos coming into play, there is still lots to be learned from crossing all of these together!

I am still puzzled by the spectacular honduran Jeff Alloway hatched last year."
by marc.b

can anyone update me on what you guys mean by calico? is that a new morphs that been produce? any pictures?
and what exactly are those spectacular hondurans that Jeff Alloway produce last year?

sorry i guess im not completely in to all of this yet.

Nevo

Go to the albinotricolors website, images directory, and look at the pics that begin with "odd...".

It's really an awesome animal...
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Paul Weaver
Carolina Herps

I replied to your email that you sent me. Let me know if you got it.

Thanks.
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RAY