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Here are a few pics up close....Rob

Here are 3 pics.

First off very cool snakes! Really some of the nicest jungle patterns I have ever seen... and ringer too! Wow! But I have to say that it cant really be poss het for paradox... first paradox is unproven... second even if it was proven yours would be homozygous paradox... so maybe poss homozygous paradox would be a breeter title. Thats not really bad news... if it does turn up genetic, you have a paradox normal... you could breed that to many things. A paradox blue eyed lucy would be nice...

Ben

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Ummmm, I don't know about anyone else, but that sure does look like a paradox albino to me? I don't know if it is still on the net, but Dave Barker did a article about it a few years ago. Do a search on "Partial expression of Heterozygos ( sie, sy, its been so long I can't remember how to spell out the ending )" and see if you can find it. Don't discount it being a paradox due to it only having a few areas of paradoxness. They are highly variable, similiar to a piebald

I thought that it might be a het paradox.To me it looks like a reverse to the albino paradox.Normal color with the albino markings as opposed to albino with dark markings.Not taking into account that it could be a paradox with only a few small areas of albino.I will do a search and see if I can locate that article...Rob

did that come from a het albino clutch??? otherwise i think you have got yourself a paradox normal.

Robert,
A few questions before I make any summations about what you have posted, firstly, what breeding produced this animal? If it was an import did it exhibit these markings as long as you have had it?

If you can post back and give us the history of the animal in question, as well as any remarks you have regarding the time that it has been in your care, we might be able to help you define what exactly is going on.

Can't wait to hear what you have to say,
Dan

Dan,I really don't know what this animal is.Some say he is a paradox albino.I produced this animal in 2000 by breeding a male albino to a possible het female, who after 2 clutches never produced an albino.I had 2.2 and kept 1.2 and also still have the male albino and poss het female that produced them.The other male was sold to a friend who produced a Paradox Albino this season.Here is the hard part.He bred an albino female and used 2 different albino males.One of those albino males was a product of the het albino that I sold him.He doesn't know which one was the father...Rob

And that's whatcha git for mixin' and matchin' . That's why I'd rather keep it to one male per how ever many females. At least ya know who dad was. .

Quig

If I had to guess, I will bet paradox is still justa random gene for now. I have seen the results that many people have posted and talked to several with them and it cant be domanant... maybe recessive (as proven in sand boas)... but my guess is its some kind of egg stress or random gene. If it was recessive, the people who have produced them would be able to do it more often dont yah think?? Same with co-dom and dom. Maybe after the first mutation it becomes recessive, but so many are rising to the surfice I would me leaning more tword eggs stress, or it could be some kind of bacteria/fungi that gets in/on the egg. Though I have never heard of anyone getting more than one out of a clutch till now. These 2.2 came from the same clutch, and no more there after?? If I understand that correct I would really lean tword some kind of enviornment variable. I come from dart frog breeding, and I know amphibians are more sensitive, but you see these things alot with them. The embryos are much more susceptible to things like fungi and stress. It plays a huge role in development. Just a thought! I am not saying they are not genetic, and next year we all might know for sure......

Ben

I don't want to go into any details, but for my part I don't believe that it is egg stress but a genetic inclination to producing "monsters".

Sorry to be cryptic, but the answer is above you just have to think it out.

Dan