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One of the first times I've witnessed one eating another snake after keeping literally hundreds of them. No venom effects.

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Mike
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...ha not really...but you are an insensitive pig...

Damnable thang posted before I was ready...
Given the tail coiling of s ringers....I spec theres venom there n that garter was probably non motile when swallowed...
Now give it a rest...eh...

When a regal eats... the prey becomes stiff/paralyzed whenever the venom takes full effect, which happens anywhere inbetween 2 and 10 minutes, lots of variables as to when.

When a southern eats, the prey never becomes stiff, and if there is venom, it must be extremely weak.

When those 2 pics were taken, the shorthead garter snake was struggling all the way down until the last half inch of it's tail went into the ringneck's mouth. The whole feeding took around 40 minutes, I think it's safe to say that atleast their venom has no effect on other snakes...

I've got some text from tonight's feeding trial w/ the adult regalis.
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Mike
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Perhaps you should consider another interest for the sake of the animals under your "care". You contribute nothing to the hobby, conservation or science. I'v noticed many of your posts are questionable in terms of ethical considerations and I assume you enjoy the feedback, both the positive and the usual negative. As far as I'm concerned your credibility disappeared a little bit each time you decided to share one of your ridiculous posts and I venture to say that many others feel the same. There is no more to lose, you have hit rock bottom as far as having (or not having) respect and credibility as a herpetologist, field researcher or whatever it is you are pretending to be. Way to go!

Jody

You can think what you want, has no effect on me or what I do. How many times have you heard of a southern ringneck snake eating another snake? I've kept many southerns and this was the first time I have ever had one eat a snake, and the first time I've ever heard of one eating a snake.

I have been working the smaller snakes for about 15 years, and have done more in the keeping of these elusive snakes than you could ever begin to imagine. Next time you have a thought, don't share it.

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Mike
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Ok last time I checked people post things on forums in order to receive an opinion and/or feedback. You continually post controversial things on this website and then get bent out of shape when people offer opinions. If you don't want people sharing their thoughts then don't post. It is that cut and dry. As cut and dry as if you take a snake out of the wild that is one less in the population.

Last time I checked, I was posting a Observation in the Field Notes & Observations Forum. Not once did I ask for feedback or anyone's opinion. Simply sharing pictures and observations.
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Mike
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These forums will produce feedback both good and bad. Post what you want to but the feedback will follow.
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Steve W.

post it somewhere else where someone might care.

The forum is called Field Notes & Observations.

Notice how it doesn't say FIELD OBSERVATIONS.
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Mike
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Actually it does. It's called "Field Noted And Observations" which is short for field notes and field observations.
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Steve W.

Mike,

Maybe your regular posts of ringnecks eating other snakes is either
A to be controversial?
B to annoy certain people
C inappropriate in this particular forum (the small snakes forum might be better suited)
or D all of the above.

I myself am guessing "D".

This is a field forum....unless you see it in the actual field then maybe its better suited elsewhere?

Regards,
Scott Eipper

I already had the post in the small snakes forum, but I wanted to show the pics to somebody, and he doesn't get into the small snakes forum all that often. And since he posts here, I figured he would see them here(I was right), so I posted them here.

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Mike
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How about:

Attention: "John Doe" check out the small snake forums for a cool post from me.

Maybe that'd would've worked? Maybe an e-mail? I don't buy your reasoning however...

Might of worked, not like I went about doing anything wrong. I had already emailed him several times that week so this was the easier way to go. Besides, at the top of this forum, it says we can post anything pertaining to herp studies or observations in general. What do you know, it happened to be a feeding trial, which could be classified under herp studies, and it was an observation, because I observed it eating another snake!

People saw the title, if they didn't want to see, they didn't have to look, no one was forcing them to.
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Mike
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Captive snakes are known to eat all kinds of things that they wouldn't in the wild. Also, I am willing to bet that southern ringnecks do ocassionaly eat other snakes in the wild and it's not such a rare occurence.

FWIW, I've had a captive Heterodon nasicus that consumed a Xenocrophis vittatus when they were temporarily housed together. It's definitely not happening in the wild, so I didn't consider it noteworthy.

Here is one of your posts on the small snake forum

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=898214,898803

You're a TOOL

Get a life you loser

You must really like my posts if you have weblinks to them.

And I am never surprised by negative comments.
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Mike
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