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i got a adult trio of ghost cal kings, 0.1 doesnt looks hypo and is the dark brown with the ghost pattern but white marking, the other 1.1 are definantly hypo ghost, they are a faint light brown and the pattern is a blue gray. they have a blueish overcast to them. while the other doesnt. i think the 0.1 female will be het for hypo. the hypo ghost are really a snake that needs to be seen in person because its really hard to capture there beauty in a picture the flash always washes out the the blue tint they have. i do have a few pics i will post of my male to give you a idea but the pics dont do any justice. oh and zfelicien has come over to my house and seen them in person so he will be able to describe them in his own words.

jesus alonso
amk reptiles

I have some. My female Ghost/hypo is also het for albinism. I bred my Albino High White male to my Ghost female this year and produced 5 Albinos that are 100% het for Ghost and 2 normals/aberrants that 100% double hets (albinism and Ghost/hypo).

I also bred my male Ghost to a female Mendota (melanistic) and produced normal looking babies that are double hets (Ghost & melanistic).

They do change in appearance from babies to adults BTW

Kerby...

Kerby...

I produced this guy last year from breeding my male Ghost to an albino female, so he is 100% double het (Ghost & albino). And since I found out this year that my female Ghost is also het for albinism - I will be breeding back to his mommy next year.

Male, double het (albino & Ghost) x Female Ghost, het for albinism

I like the crown on that king, very cool.

Ghost Cali kings...

well the color that stood out the most was the brown of course. then i guess the hypo/ghost look would have come from the blue-ish Gray-ish color it was more of a light blue... i wouldn't say the darker female wasn't a ghost/hypo... like in hondurans you have 3 types of hypos (in my opinion)... you have the regular hypos with the dark bands that express tipping with age, then you have the light hypos with lavender bands and ruby red eyes that don't express any tipping with age, then you got extremes (gray bands ruby red eyes) (different levels of the same mutation but same gene involved??) so she may have just been expressing the gene slightly different than the other two.

he also had a " hypo" cali king female some would describe her as " brown and white" but she looked hypo-ish to me not like the Ghost be lighter than typical calikings... i figure trough some test breeding to other cali morphs we should be able to determine whether there is really a hypo cali king besides the ghost
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The Ghost cal king IS a simple recessive gene. The brown & white cal kings are not. If it were, you should be able to breed a brown & white to a black & yellow and "IF" the brown & white was recessive, all the babies would be black & yellow and "het" for brown & white. But that does not happen. If you breed these baby black & yellow "hets" back to each other you should get 50% brown & whites from the black & yellows....and you don't.

Brown & whites are naturally occuring and are not recessive.

Kerby...

Couldn't hypomelanism look different depending upon the original color of the snake? In theory if the hypo gene were to REMOVE a certain set percent or certain number of layer(s) of dark pigment then it's possible that a hypo black phase could even be darker than a normal brown phase.
On the other hand if the hypo gene were to only LEAVE a certain percentage or layer(s) of black then both brown phase and black phase should be equally light.
I don't think we know which way the hypo gene in Cal Kings, if it exists, works. There is also the possibility that it is co-dominant and there is the possiblity that there are more than one type of hypo out there further confounding acurate interpretations of test breeding.
That is why I say it is really hard to say for sure there are no hypo Cal Kings out there.

I don't like people calling some cal kings "hypo" just because it is possible. That is sad indeed and bad for the cal king industry. But we have choices............ LOL

""I don't think we know which way the hypo gene in Cal Kings, if it exists, works.""

Exactly, so we should back off calling some cal kings "hypo" when we don't have a clue as to what a "hypo" cal king is. BUT the K-snake classifieds have "hypo" cal kings quite a fit - sad again.

**That is why I say it is really hard to say for sure there are no hypo Cal Kings out there**

Wrong, I say there aren't any until someone proves that they do exist. Just because there could be a "hypo" cal king does not mean that the brown and whites are.

You can call them "hypo" because it is possible. On the other hand I will not call them "hypo" until it is proven and verified.

Kerby...

I did call the Merker's hypo, which are the ones I have. I asked him if they were simple recessive and he said yes. Now I am not so sure after seeing the posts Erik Loza put up on them a few months ago and for the reasons I stated above, it is hard to tell with a snake that has a natural brown phase. I also posted a long time ago a wc king I had that I thought was hypo and asked opinions on. I refered to that one as a possible unproven hypo which is what I would think all of the unproven suspected hypos should be refered to as. That is all I meant.

>>You can call them "hypo" because it is possible. On the other hand I will not call them "hypo" until it is proven and verified.
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>>Kerby...

Kerby, I agree. I think the gene should be proven.

Weren't you going to get a pair of Vivid's blue-eyed blondes? Haven't they shown them to have a recessive gene?

Terry

Vivid's Site

but they haven't fed for me yet. Not looking good. $400 for 2 snakes that look like dark Lavenders and they don't feed.

Oh, well............

A friend of mine raises Lavenders as well and he couldn't tell the difference between my "Blue-eyed Blondes" and his Lavenders.

Kerby...

Come on Kerby....
You have been keeping snakes for years...I am sure you can get some getula to eat...Don't some of your calikings hatch out as stubborn feeders?

Also....
maybe you can grow em up and prove Tim wrong and get the price of them down cause they are way nicer looking than any other lavenders I have seen....

John Lassiter

I've already tried all the tricks in the book that usually work. And I never get 100% success feeding rate to begin with. I've already taken them off of heat.

At least my non-feeder cal kings are huge. The Blue-eyed Blondes that I got from Vivid are pretty skinny. So no, it doesn't look good. I will try to cool them and feed them in a month.

But Tim said that they all will feed.

Kerby...

Well....that kinda sux.
Good luck with them Kerby. I wish you luck man. I want to see you prove them out just like everyone else.
I have one adult male Blue eyed blonde if you wanna use it on a Lavender female this coming year.....He is from Tim at Vivid...
I was going to breed him to an albino and raise the offspring up and breed them together and back to the adult male blonde.....But that will take years.....LOL
John Lassiter