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Hey guys,

I was enjoying the photos of the extremely beautiful vanishing hypos and ghost, and was wondering:

As i understand the vanishing gene is a kind of a hypo gene, how those two gene react to each other?
Is the vanishing hypo gene is recessive to the normal hypo?
would by breeding a vanishing hypo to a normal hypo, all babys will be normal hypos het for vanishing hypo?

I would be extremely happy to see any pictures you guys have, of your vanishing hypos, and ghost.

And now i have some more question about the vanishing pattern ghost, those must be one of the most beautiful snakes i have ever saw.
and was also wondering how it's possible to produce those amazing snakes. if you take a normal anery, and breed it to a vanishing hypo. would all the babys will be DH for vanishing hypo and anery?

would by breeding the F1 babys to each other, would all the babys hypo and ghost will be vanishing?

sorry that this became so long, and thank you for reading.
Nevo

BTW any pictures of your vanishing pattern hondos will be awesome.

Enjoy, John Lambert

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If your wondering there were 5 of these in the clutch. I will be posting updated pics of each soon. They have really grown since birth and the color is only improving. Just imagine when the are yearlings or adults how they will look. I also have another clutch due to hatch next week that should also look like these.

Well Nevo, I think vanishings came around from tricolors at first and then bred back into tangerines. Someone like Dunham would know this for sure though. You have to be careful, just because its vanishing doesn't mean it won't "tip-out" when it's older. I guess you really have to see the adults of the offspring in order to tell. This ones hypo het anery and hopefully will breed next year.
Dave

>>As i understand the vanishing gene is ...

To the best of my knowledge no one has yet demonstrated vanishing pattern to be "a gene", or a recessive trait. It first appeared--or first got attention--in some of the early years of hypo production, and we've now seen it in a few ghosts (plus some albinos, as pix john and I have posted here demonstrate) so it may or may not be associated with hypos.

But it's been one of those things several people have tested, breeding van patt x van patt together without getting all or mostly van patts. I think it's a tendency, like the range from tricolor to tangerine, influenced by multiple genes, like striped hondos have been so far.

But there's always the chance for something new to occur. I brought in a "new" anerythristic hondo from Honduras this year--to the best of my knowledge the first one imported since the one David Doherty launched all of today's anerys with--and the first thought is to breed it X one of the present anerys, to make sure they're the same allele, the same mutation. OR to establish that they're different (i expect the former). Test breeding and more test breeding is gonna be required if a vanishing pattern ever is demonstrated to be a simple recessive.

To the best of my knowledge.

peace
terry

I guess the vanishing ghost project will be more difficult then i expected.
lol...

thanks again everyone
Nevo

I'm eager to breed this guy next year. AFAIK, he's got no trace of hypo in his lineage, so it'll be interesting to see if anything resembling this pattern comes out of breeding him to a normal (albeit slightly aberrant) female.

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-Paul

Milki,see Sept 8 post "vanishing ghost".I can only comment based on my own experiences.The pair of hypo het anery's that produced this ghost consistently (3 yrs of pairing) have one to three pronounced vanishing young,both ghost's and hypo's. The rest of the clutch typically contains several standard hypo's and usually one or two have black bands that disappear or fade away. The vanishing "trait" may not show up on every animal in a clutch but after 3 years of pairing these animals I think there is more here than just random expression.
It is interesting to note that the "vanishing" only seems to manifest in the black bands.
If you go to the photo gallery you can see other animals from this same pairing.In 06 I have several of my vanishing holdbacks that will be 3 which I am going to outcross to see if the vanishing"trait" will show up when not breeding related animals.I hope to carry this appearance in to other honduran morphs as well. Rodney

them vanish this way?LOL...............

Sounds like that was a fun clutch man.

Shannon

rodny your ghost is staning... great animal inded.

is the parents of this and the others vanishing ghost are vanishing hypo? or a normal hypos that have the vanishing gene?

thank you for sharring this info.

Nevo