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well any guesses? i have complete background on this animal to founding stock, i will be aquiring this group very soon,,,hopefully,,, and wanted to see what other "milkfolks" thought,,thanks for playin,,,,,,,,,thomas davis

Its just a striped/vanishing phase honduran. That morph is very variable. It looks like the orange(actually its a tricolor) is the main lateral line with the red at the base.Correct???
I take one in albino Please,
Dave

you are correct its a honduran tristripe, as i said i hopefully will aquire the group which includes 2other stripes and 6normal sibs very soon thanks for lookin,,,,,,,thomas davis

Hey again, you should be able to get vanishings, striped, and some normal looking out of the same clutch, correct?? I'm sure you've checked out Probreeder's, they have some great info on them.
Neat Hondo,
Dave

I have seen that pattern on Pueblan Hybrids...but I am looking forward to hearing what exactly that snake is, it is really cool looking. Tom Stevens

Thomas,
Very nice..Where does the line start for the first hatchlings?
William
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1.1 Anery. Hondos
1.1 Tang. Het Hypo Hondos
0.1 Tang. Hondo
1.1 Tang. Het Pinbanded Hypo Hondos
1.1 Tricolor Het Albino Hondos
2.0 Jurrasic Kings
1.0 Alb. Striped Cal King
0.1 Alb. Leopard Gecko
1.1 Kids
0.1 Wife

Its not been proven out yet and just because there was more than one in the clutch or because the same adults throw it more than once doesn't mean its genetic.
I know you havn't said it is I am just letting you know that Before you get your hopes up that I have been down that road a few times and its not always a pot of gold at the other end.

I took a good look at all his snakes in his display case two weeks ago in Anaheim and what did I see.I saw that just about every single snake he had was very very aberrant.I am talking ghosts,hypos,anerys,normals,albinos,hets,etc,etc,etc,,,,,,,,,whats that tell me?/TURN DOWN YOUR INCUBATER?.............

I saw those three funcky snakes when he first produced them and I asked him if he had cooked them to high and he said well,"I was right in the middle of moveing and my werehouse did get real hot but I don't think that could have done it?"
funny how he didn't get any just like it the next year?

Anyways,I hope they breed true for you and I hope they turn out het also cause I know that one of the grandparents or parents or something is het hypo?

Good luck with them.

Shannon

Shannon, I thought those looked the ones Guy produced last year and was asking 3000 for them. I to believe they were produced by over-heating the eggs. He did mention that in his ad. I hope the person who is wanting to buy them is aware of this and doesn't pay to much for them.

hey shannon,
the group that i hopefully will be getting is that stripe pictured & 2others that are similiar and 4normal tricolors all sibs from the same clutch.i have not heard of pattern abberancy or striping due to inc.temps.in my experience with kings hi-temps during incubation will result in kinks but ive never had pattern abberancies as a result, seems interesting.im hoping i get the group if i do i will post more pics for sure,,,,,,thomas davis

I don't know anything about your deal and I have never seen it happen in eggs but that is how a lot of striped boas come about. I have seen those boas sold as genetic stripes and not prove out. Seems as though you are getting a proceed with caution sign here. Hope all turn out well.
Later Jason

I don't know anything about your deal and I have never seen it happen in eggs but that is how a lot of striped boas come about. I have seen those boas sold as genetic stripes and not prove out. Seems as though you are getting a proceed with caution sign here. Hope all turn out well.
Later Jason

well thanks for the concern, but i have worked with stripes in corns and kings and have prooved it(striping)out thru line breeding and personally beleive striping can be bred true thru line breeding in all ssp. as far as the boas ,how exactly did the stripes happen?did it come thru keeping the female extra hot while she was gravid? also just because f1 didnt produce stripes doesnt mean f2 or f3s wouldnt, regardless i hope i get the group and have the chance to see they sure "eyecandy" imho,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thomas

Tom I wasn't trying to rain on your parade. I hope nothing but the best for you and I hope you can prove it out. It would be cool to have a pattern morph in the hondos.

In the boas yes it is from overheating the females. As far as I understand there is a science to it. The temps and duration have to be right or you end up with dead or kinked babies. Also the time period of the pregnancy in which you heat them has to be right.

I bought a gravid boa from a guy on the understanding that he gets some babies when they drop. Time comes and they are all dead and striped. I called the guy and tell him that I got a bunch of dead babies and he just said OK. About 2 days later I called him back and asked why he didn't question me at all and that is when he tells me that he overheated the female to get stripes. He said he thought he messed it up and that is why he sold her to me. He thought it was cool that they were striped, All I got was a huge mess of 42 fully formed striped dead babies and another 10-20 egg masses. It wasn't a nice thing to do but I did learn something about good deals.
Good Luck
Jason

Thomas,
I hope you get the group also.I hope it works out and I hope it is genetic.

Good luck to you.They are very cool looking I saw the three right after they were hatched.

Shannon

So I'm curious...
What's your take on the regular pattern aberrants that Norm Damm produces?
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-Paul

Hey Paul,

I think that the damm line is pretty weak myself.I had several animals myself over the years and never had very good luck with them.They always seemed to end up in the freezer?
Anyways,I think if it was anything more than a random thing we would see them all over the place.
You just don't see them do you?Have you ever seen a damm albino (no punn intended) or striped/aberrant (damm)hypo,anery,albino anything for that matter? its just not that simple.

anyways,I have been working on three diferent lines of pattern aberrancies over the years and none have panned out yet but I am on to one now and it is looking good (fingers crossed) and it looks very good.Marc Bailey claims it to be genetic so maybe next year mine will be big enough to breed.

Shannon

What is that?

Awesome.
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