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I'M BACK!! Thanx to all that expressed concern!! My story....

Jolliff Sep 19, 2005 01:54 PM

This was my post in the Venomous section - there are also pix there if your curious.

"I’d first like to thank everyone who expressed concern, emailed, or left phone messages. Even if I was just in your thoughts, I appreciate it. As w/ any bite from a captive, it was a mistake on the keeper’s part. In this case, it was a split second error that almost proved fatal. I have been keeping HOTS for about ten years & have always said “Anyone can make a mistake as we are all human.” As Mr. Harrison stated in his official release, “Bites, he said, are just something snake owners get used to. If you play with guns, eventually you could get shot," he said. "If you handle snakes, eventually you could get bit. It’s a risk." As Duffy pointed out, there are hazards involved in everyday life. Consider the job hazards involved w/ being a foundry or construction worker (both jobs I’ve had) & what about the perils our men in uniform face everyday? These are risks we accept & try to prevent. I did get grazed two years ago & I learned a valuable lesson that day & took precautionary measures to ensure the same mistake did not repeat itself. Unfortunately, we all learn from our mistakes & I will def. make adjustments to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. I am fully aware that these incidents affect more people than the person envenomated & hate to see all the press (which is usually – as in this case – not 100% accurate).
With that being said, this IS what happened for those who are as curious as I am. My friend was @ my place & we were taking pictures of the Ball Pythons we have available. This is his first year doing the “snake thing” so this was quite a traumatic experience for him as well. We were pretty much done when I decided to grab two more Pythons. I was in a hurry & simply opened the wrong drawer (yes, the are labeled). Since I was working w/ the Balls, I had my guard down for a split second & that is all it took. My yearling male Caramel WDB (prob. one of the meanest snakes I have) was waiting to ambush prey. As soon as I opened the cage, I saw a flash of yellow & felt a slight tap. I immediately closed the drawer, grabbed my epi-pens & asked my friend to drive me to the hospital which is about ten minutes away. I called 911 to have them prepare the hospital for a WDB bite & informed them that I needed Cro-Fab as I am allergic to horses (& about everything else for that matter). They traced the call & realized we were right by the Fire Station/EMT. They instructed us to pull in & let the “professionals” take over. As we pulled in, I could feel my body going into Hyper drive like a freshly bitten mouse. I informed the firemen that I had two Epi-pens on hand & I was going to use one as I slammed it into thigh. That was the last thing I remember until I regained consciousness around 3:00 p.m. on Fri. @ OSU Medical Center (Columbus). According to my friend, the firemen didn’t seem too concerned & told him “not to get excited” as they stood there & watched me go into seizures eight minutes after the bite. He started yelling that they had better get move on & said he would transport me himself if they were going to just stand there. They dropped me on the first attempt to remove me from the car but eventually got me to the hospital where we never get snakebites. They resuscitated me (as my lungs had collapsed) & life-flighted me to Columbus (about 1.5 hrs. away by car) where they didn’t expect me to make it. They did cat scans as they thought I may have fluid on my brain. They did perform a slight fasciotomy on my hand to “check compartment pressure” as my fingers were blue. I eventually came around & was in full spirits as I knew this was going to be real serious. I was just glad to wake AND NOT see my whole arm split open. We told them not to but you know Doctors. They had me out of ICU in 24 hrs. & released me 24 hrs. after that. They initially told my wife they didn’t think I was going to make it & couldn’t believe how quickly I recovered. I was not able to find out how many bags of Cro-Fab I received but 3 – 7 was the answer depending on who I asked. At one time, my diastolic blood pressure was 50 & they said the pH level in my blood was “not typical of a living person.” So that is my weekend – closest to death that I’ve ever been. All I can say is don’t believe it can never happen to you & have Epi-pens on hand. I’m not familiar w/ the details of the Rhino bite that took the life of the OH fireman last year, but I believe (?) he died from Anaphylactic shock. I also believe I would not be here today if I didn’t have the Epi-pens on hand. Everyone stresses the importance of having your own anti-venin but that is not what usually kills you w/in fifteen minutes of a bite. So please see your doctors & get some epinephrine – just in case you happen to make that split second error."

Replies (12)

Mark Banczak Sep 19, 2005 02:22 PM

and glad you're back with us! Thanks goodness it worked out OK. You've been on my mind ever since I heard about it.I'm sure all of the forum regulars have been anxious about your condition. Now we get to hear the whole story... Thanks for posting it and Thank goodness you've made a quick recovery. Any lingering effects?

duffy Sep 19, 2005 04:25 PM

Man! I was sittin' here at the computer Friday afternoon & my wife was listening to the news. They started talkin' about a Marion man who got bit by one of his hots, so I say, "I hope that's not Mike they're talkin' about." Somehow I knew before they said your name that it was, though. Glad that you were able to get what you needed & back on your feet. We'll be lookin' for you at the show. Duffy

Gargoyle420 Sep 19, 2005 04:36 PM

Your very lucky.I assume your going to keep your hots seperated from your nons from now on.I work in the trades Steelworker/making steel.We rarely have small accidents just people getting killed.It only takes a little brainfart and there are no second chances.Im glad your alive and look forward to seeing more of your black rat pics...Paul
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nekomi Sep 19, 2005 04:48 PM

So glad that you're alright!!! You've been in my thoughts since I heard about the incident. All your help has been invaluable, and the black rat I got from you is such a gem... it would be an awful shame for the hobby to lose you!
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My Growing Zoo:

1.0 Husband (Byron) ^_^
0.1 black cat (Shade)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa (Zia)
1.0 Leucistic Ratsnake (Houdini)
1.2 Cockatoo cichlids (A. cacatuoides yellow-gold)
1.2 Panduro cichlids (A. panduro)

ratsnakehaven Sep 19, 2005 06:52 PM

I'm so glad you made it. Hope you have a speedy recovery.

I want you to know that even my wife has been worried about you and she has no idea who you are. I just told her you're from Marion, near the Killdeer Plains, where I occasionally do some field work.

Good luck, Jolliff.

Terry

draybar Sep 19, 2005 07:23 PM

>>I'm glad you're home and recovering.
Also glad you cleared things up by telling us exactly what happened.
Best of luck in the future and PLEASE be carefull...LOL
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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Hotshot Sep 19, 2005 08:41 PM

Take it easy and do what the doc tells you until your healed. Be careful next time man, you gave us all a scare!!
Brian Baker

>>This was my post in the Venomous section - there are also pix there if your curious.
>>
>>"I’d first like to thank everyone who expressed concern, emailed, or left phone messages. Even if I was just in your thoughts, I appreciate it. As w/ any bite from a captive, it was a mistake on the keeper’s part. In this case, it was a split second error that almost proved fatal. I have been keeping HOTS for about ten years & have always said “Anyone can make a mistake as we are all human.” As Mr. Harrison stated in his official release, “Bites, he said, are just something snake owners get used to. If you play with guns, eventually you could get shot," he said. "If you handle snakes, eventually you could get bit. It’s a risk." As Duffy pointed out, there are hazards involved in everyday life. Consider the job hazards involved w/ being a foundry or construction worker (both jobs I’ve had) & what about the perils our men in uniform face everyday? These are risks we accept & try to prevent. I did get grazed two years ago & I learned a valuable lesson that day & took precautionary measures to ensure the same mistake did not repeat itself. Unfortunately, we all learn from our mistakes & I will def. make adjustments to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. I am fully aware that these incidents affect more people than the person envenomated & hate to see all the press (which is usually – as in this case – not 100% accurate).
>>With that being said, this IS what happened for those who are as curious as I am. My friend was @ my place & we were taking pictures of the Ball Pythons we have available. This is his first year doing the “snake thing” so this was quite a traumatic experience for him as well. We were pretty much done when I decided to grab two more Pythons. I was in a hurry & simply opened the wrong drawer (yes, the are labeled). Since I was working w/ the Balls, I had my guard down for a split second & that is all it took. My yearling male Caramel WDB (prob. one of the meanest snakes I have) was waiting to ambush prey. As soon as I opened the cage, I saw a flash of yellow & felt a slight tap. I immediately closed the drawer, grabbed my epi-pens & asked my friend to drive me to the hospital which is about ten minutes away. I called 911 to have them prepare the hospital for a WDB bite & informed them that I needed Cro-Fab as I am allergic to horses (& about everything else for that matter). They traced the call & realized we were right by the Fire Station/EMT. They instructed us to pull in & let the “professionals” take over. As we pulled in, I could feel my body going into Hyper drive like a freshly bitten mouse. I informed the firemen that I had two Epi-pens on hand & I was going to use one as I slammed it into thigh. That was the last thing I remember until I regained consciousness around 3:00 p.m. on Fri. @ OSU Medical Center (Columbus). According to my friend, the firemen didn’t seem too concerned & told him “not to get excited” as they stood there & watched me go into seizures eight minutes after the bite. He started yelling that they had better get move on & said he would transport me himself if they were going to just stand there. They dropped me on the first attempt to remove me from the car but eventually got me to the hospital where we never get snakebites. They resuscitated me (as my lungs had collapsed) & life-flighted me to Columbus (about 1.5 hrs. away by car) where they didn’t expect me to make it. They did cat scans as they thought I may have fluid on my brain. They did perform a slight fasciotomy on my hand to “check compartment pressure” as my fingers were blue. I eventually came around & was in full spirits as I knew this was going to be real serious. I was just glad to wake AND NOT see my whole arm split open. We told them not to but you know Doctors. They had me out of ICU in 24 hrs. & released me 24 hrs. after that. They initially told my wife they didn’t think I was going to make it & couldn’t believe how quickly I recovered. I was not able to find out how many bags of Cro-Fab I received but 3 – 7 was the answer depending on who I asked. At one time, my diastolic blood pressure was 50 & they said the pH level in my blood was “not typical of a living person.” So that is my weekend – closest to death that I’ve ever been. All I can say is don’t believe it can never happen to you & have Epi-pens on hand. I’m not familiar w/ the details of the Rhino bite that took the life of the OH fireman last year, but I believe (?) he died from Anaphylactic shock. I also believe I would not be here today if I didn’t have the Epi-pens on hand. Everyone stresses the importance of having your own anti-venin but that is not what usually kills you w/in fifteen minutes of a bite. So please see your doctors & get some epinephrine – just in case you happen to make that split second error."
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RATS
2.0 Corn snakes "Warpath" & "Thunderbird" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Reaper and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Greenish rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Great plains rat snake "Reign Fire" (TX locale)
1.0 Grey rat snake "Punisher" (White oak phase)(Dwight Good stock)

RACERS
1.0 Eastern Yellow Belly racer "Nightcrawler" (MO locale)

KINGS
1.1 California king snake "Bandit" & "Moonstar" (Coastal phase)
1.1 Prairie king snakes "Bishop" & "Askani" (KY locale)
0.1 Black king snake "Domino" (KY locale)
1.1 Desert Kingsnakes "Gambit" & "Psylocke"
0.1 Florida Kingsnake "Shard"

MILKS
1.0 Eastern/red Milk intergrade "Cable" (KY locale)
1.0 Eastern/Red Milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)

BULLS/GOPHERS/PINES
0.1 Sonoran Gopher "Husk"

Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

Steve_Craig Sep 19, 2005 10:57 PM

Mike, glad your going to pull through ok. Stay safe bro. Keeping hots has it's risk, but then again every time you get behind the wheel of a car you're puting your life at risk. One of those things I guess.
Looking foward to seeing some of those awesome Black Rats your produce. Take care,

Steve

bam171bam Sep 20, 2005 08:42 AM

Welcome back Mike! Glad to hear you made it through ok. See you in Hamburg.

lbrat Sep 20, 2005 11:11 AM

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Dre Sep 20, 2005 12:14 PM

Glad to see u made it ..I got tagged by a eyelash pit viper in 97'and I gave up on hots... for now!!!!!!!!

Jolliff Sep 21, 2005 05:49 PM

was having some trouble w/ my lungs (& asthma) & a reaction to the pain meds. but got that taking care of - plan on being @ Hamburg w/ all my Venomous for sale (just kidding!!!). Was planning on still doing the Col. show but I have an asthma attack every month (after & during the show) from the rabbits @ that show so I prob. will shelf it this month.

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