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Visual barriers in captive chameleon keeping

Spiddy Sep 23, 2005 11:09 AM

I noticed in the latest edition of Chameleons Online E-Zine that Chris Anderson had to answer multiple questions regarding cohabitation. Of course, his advice, as most of us who hang around this board know, is that, in generally, it's not a good idea. However, there's another article in the magazine about cage drainage. The last photo in that article shows a multiple cage set-up (I'm assuming it's Chris' assembly of cages since it was his photo), and there don't appear to be any visual barriers between cages. I realize the screen will prevent actual physical encounters, but don't these visual opportunities create the same level of stress as cohabitation?

I ask because I have a similar set-up, and I'm always struggling with these barriers. For one thing, the cages in the middle need barriers on both sides, and considering that the backs of the cages are against a wall, there isn't much left for proper air flow. Also, not all of my cages are the same size, so even with barriers there always seem to be ways for the chamys to peek at each other if they so desire.

So in a large part, I've given up on these barriers. Instead, I maintain densly forested cages, and I monitor eating habits and coloration of the chameleons in an attempt to see if there's any stressful behavior taking place.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject with regard to multiple-cage set-ups?

Replies (2)

ChrisAnderson Sep 23, 2005 02:43 PM

>>I noticed in the latest edition of Chameleons Online E-Zine that Chris Anderson had to answer multiple questions regarding cohabitation. Of course, his advice, as most of us who hang around this board know, is that, in generally, it's not a good idea. However, there's another article in the magazine about cage drainage. The last photo in that article shows a multiple cage set-up (I'm assuming it's Chris' assembly of cages since it was his photo), and there don't appear to be any visual barriers between cages. I realize the screen will prevent actual physical encounters, but don't these visual opportunities create the same level of stress as cohabitation?
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>>I ask because I have a similar set-up, and I'm always struggling with these barriers. For one thing, the cages in the middle need barriers on both sides, and considering that the backs of the cages are against a wall, there isn't much left for proper air flow. Also, not all of my cages are the same size, so even with barriers there always seem to be ways for the chamys to peek at each other if they so desire.
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>>So in a large part, I've given up on these barriers. Instead, I maintain densly forested cages, and I monitor eating habits and coloration of the chameleons in an attempt to see if there's any stressful behavior taking place.
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>>Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject with regard to multiple-cage set-ups?

Yes, that is part of my setup and actually, most of the enclosures do have visual barriers between them. My enclosures are actualy about 8" away from the wall behind them to make room for the gutters in my drainage system. With the top, front and back open, there generally is plenty of airflow. At times when I feel the humidity is particularly high, I will setup an oscilating fan in the area to help move the air around more (although I rarely need this). Additionally, many of the cages have about 4-6" between them (between rack sections) and with tilted visual barriers, more airflow space is provided. A few of my enclosures do not have barriers between them but these are each very well planted and I carefully monitor the animals in those cages for signs of any interaction at all. If I do observe any signs, I put up barriers. In general, I recommend barriers in all cases just to be on the safe side.

Chris
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flammysnake Sep 24, 2005 12:09 AM

i know for about 2 months i didn't have any visual barriers between my vieleds, and then one day i noticed my male try to head-butt his way through the screen. upon noticing, i put an old shirt between the cages and they both seem to be fine with it now.

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