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it seem these days a lot of use little guys are calling it quites. is it b/c they realize this is truly hard work that requires a lot of effort? it's not a race i believe the people that get into the biz as a get rich quick plan are sure to fail.this is not aimed at anyone in anyway just an observation. your thoughts......

Billy

Tons of people start businesses and many quit. It's the nature of the beast. But unless you are keeping track of who is coming and going, I don't know how you can say one way or the other. Is it hard work? You bet it is. But it can be rewarding as well.
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Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

The Ball Python market was giving me a headache. Corruption is everywhere. Money. Greed. Lies. Whatever. I just want to have fun again. I want to play with really cool snakes. I want to show people how wonderful these animals are. I want to watch the fear turn to amazement as someone holds their very first snake. This is what the hobby should be about -- passion for the animals. And I've started to lose that passion lately. (Most of you saw this coming.)

The Ball Python market was controling my actions. I couldn't sell a single animal without feeling frustrated. Do I sell the animal at market value? What is market value? What if I don't need market value? Do I sell the animal for less than market value? Would a low price upset other breeders? Would a low price suggest scammer? Should I raise the price? How much should I raise the price? Arrgghhhhhhh!

Like I said...it was giving me a headache. And I'm happier now.

Chris
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mean people suck

understandable indeed but didn't you kind of expect that?

Not at all.

Chris
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mean people suck

It's a tough gig. It's even tougher for a little guy. If you're not ready to invest and work hard to create a reputation, you're toast. (Just like every other business like the previous post). But I also think it has a lot to do with when you started. I believe the door is closed on the ball python market. The established breeders are there. New morphs trickle down, and there's virtually no way for a little man to grab a new morph and bring in something new with a bang. Add to the fact that people think that they can purchase a handful of investment quality snakes, breed them, and then expect and immediate return on investment with no work, and no reputation. This is get rich quick, and if you dont think so, why is the ball python for 10 times more active than anything else? It's not because of the ball python. My 2 cents.

I agree. But it's not that I couldn't make good money at this. In fact, I'm sure I could. I just don't dig money all that much. I never have. I've told the story a few times about how thinking of money gives me migraines. That's why I steered away from the more expensive codoms. It's just not for me. It goes against my INTP personality. LOL At first it seemed like a good way to finance my many interests, but there's too much money involved. I hate planning for ROIs and profit margins. I was made to live in a shack and read books. Maybe eat now and then when I remember to. That's all. =)

Chris
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mean people suck

"I was made to live in a shack and read books. Maybe eat now and then when I remember to. That's all. =)"

...damn lmao

We'll miss yah...

....see you in purgetory /?...or wherever
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

hope everything works out
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billy jean king

"The Ball Python market was controling my actions. I couldn't sell a single animal without feeling frustrated. Do I sell the animal at market value? What is market value? What if I don't need market value? Do I sell the animal for less than market value? Would a low price upset other breeders? Would a low price suggest scammer? Should I raise the price? How much should I raise the price? Arrgghhhhhhh!"

I can see where your comeing from, but I do have a question. Do other breeders really get upset if you sell yours for less? Now I do understand that haveing a too low price could make some think of scammers,but I would like to think it would be up to me to set MY price.

So why would anyone get upset? Is it greed? Am I missing something? Is it the ones who are in it JUST for the money that would get upset? Keep in mind I'm not talking a $25,000 new morph or any thing.

Not trying to start anything, just trying to see how bad it really is, as this is not the first time I've heard of this.

OK off topic, I started a ks gallery today, and now I have this new box at the bottom of the screen. How do I get it to NOT post the pic? I have tried to delete it but nothen happens, and when I hit the preview message button it shows the pic. What did I do to make this happen? How can I stop it from posting the pic?

SOunds like the image has been tagged into your signature, or simply added into the signature.
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PHLdyPayne

I thought that to, but where it says"Automatically attach your signature to the bottom?" I turned that off.

I think what I want to know is how do I unhighlight it? It seems like it is highlighted and that is why it is posting the pic.

Thanks for the help.

Yeah. The market can get pretty cutthroat at times. I've spoken to many breeders who get ugly calls or emails from other more expensive breeders about pricing too low. Only a few months ago, a big breeder advertised Spider females at the unheard of steal of only $3500. From what I hear, he took a lot of flack because of it. It happens a lot. Or so I hear and read...

Chris
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mean people suck

Maybe it gets worse, but ive got about 50 balls right now and sure its alot of maintenance and the record keeping....jesus dont get me started, but its not hard.

I get up at 6am, check everything, blah blah blah...., drive an hour to my real job, put in 8hours, drive an hour back and the only thing I want to do when i get home is mess with the snakes! I turn on some Hank Williams Jr, grab a beer and get to work! I wouldnt dream of doing anything else!

You want hard work, try working rail road construction in WYOMING in the winter! hahaha...... you'll never complain about anything, ever again.............

it's actually nice to get over to my snakes and clean some cages. I almost hope there are dirty cages so I can feel like I accomlished something.
Selling the snakes certainly isn't easy though.

Say Chris, what all BP's did you have in your collection?

Cole Maas

Florida here too, and it is STRESS RELIEF...Definatly not hard work. I work outside for 10 hours, lots of heat and humidity, but always have the energy to tend to my snakes and rodent population. As far as getting rich quick!!!!! not why I am in it. This is a "hobby" buisness, meaning most people in it are amature. Look at the economy right now, gas is $3 a gallon, Insurance is skyrocketing, people do not have a lot of extra cash. If it comes to putting gas in their car to get to work and buying another snake...most will go for the gas. As the economy changes...so will the market. In some ways, us amatures who are in it for the fun DO have the upper hand, I do not need to sell off my snakes, I will wait for that great trade to come along or just breed them again. People have to learn that they should not spend what they cannot afford to loose. I have already gotten paid in full for the fun of it and how it has brought my children and me closer than I could imagine....WITHOUT THE TV....

No Patience!!!!

Yep,thats short but very true.

...it's the natural order of things though.
Not everyone that starts,stays with it(anything for that matter).

The irony for me is that alot of things i 'used to do' have helped me in this peticular venture.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.