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This girl is from Will Still. I acquired 2.2 last year and have had them all feed. 1.1 have way outpaced the others in growth.

I like the head markings and "GA notch".

This wide banded female has kept most of her orange coloration.

Is it yellow and red pigment making the orange?

A true black-belly

Field guide shot "Denizens of the snake cave;Pennsyltucky"

OBTW Serpwidgets 34.1" at a year.

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Bob Bull
2.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
2.2 L.g.g GA locality
1.3 L.g.g albino
1.3 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

Hey Bob

WOW she is a beauty and great pics! Gonna post pics of her giant male sib ? Seems some of the ones Will hatches out either gets a growth gene of some kind. Ive never ever seen a King grow as fast as my male has without powerfeeding. Here is my 2003 males groth chart using serpwidgets. I didnt start measuring until March 2004. In 2005 he started slowing down in growth as would be expected but I think its more to do with that he started eating more of an adult diet of big mice less often(slower digestion etc...)I dont push my snakes its too expensive and isnt healthy.

8/2003 – 11-13” (approx.)

3/26/2004 - 28.49"

4/7/2004 - 29.86"

5/4/2004 - 31.90"

6/1/2004 - 34.07"

6/27/2005 - 35.48"

7/31/2004 - 37.76"

8/26/2004 - 39.28” - One year old measurement

9/12/2004 - 40.35”

11/2/2004 - 41.39”

11/12/04 - 42.15”

12/29/04 - 44.02”

1/25/2005 - 45.57”

2/20/2005 – 47.03”

3/15/2005 - 47.22”

4/3/2005 - 47.44”

4/24/2005 - 49.50”

6/14/2005 - 50.51”

8/19/2005 - 52.03” - 2 year measurement

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I think I've been feeding mine too little lol. He's a 04' baby and only about 25". Nice snake(s).
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles Inc.
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Updated 9/19 NEW PICS/INFO

Dont bank on yours having that "Big Gene" (if it exists) as not all of em get big, but maybe you never know. Ive raised up a few Will Still Ga's and only the male I have has gotten unusually big. I also have no doubt that if I fed him more he would be easily 60+" right now. Ive seen some people posting pics of some really big Brooksi that are yearlings but they also look rather plump from a heavy diet would be my guess. The thing I noticed about the GA male is that he really never started bulking up until late 2004. In otherwords he was putting all his growth into length. I remember I noticed he wasnt fat like his sister I got at the same time but they got the same amount of food but he was like 3" longer than her after 3 months. She never got real big, my buddy has her and I think she is just average sized.
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Here is a pic from September 2004 of a 1 month old hatchling next to my male who is exactly 1 year older than the hatchling in this pic. The hatchling is a sib to Bob Bull's 2.2 and a neice to the male in the photo.

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Mike my other 1.1 are 28.3 and 21.1 respectively. A hypothesis is that in lean years slower growing young may have an advantage in reduced feeding requirements; while in abundant years the faster growing young might have an advantage.
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Bob Bull
2.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
2.2 L.g.g GA locality
1.3 L.g.g albino
1.3 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

NOW THAT'S the kind of Eastern I like!!!!!
Nice and colorful, not black and white....
Great looking Getula Bob....I may have to get a pair of South GA Easterns one day, especially if they hold on to that color into adulthood......
John Lassiter

Thanks.

I have had great luck with them and they are about the right kind of eye-candy for locality fans.
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Bob Bull
2.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
2.2 L.g.g GA locality
1.3 L.g.g albino
1.3 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

Still say the goini influence is significant and undeniable though! LOL Ribbing aside, those are by far are my favorite non-morph "eastern complex" getula. Thanks for sharing the pics.

I love these guys pure locality and great colors. I think they're the same pattern as the mosaics. It's probably a multi-gene "suite" of characteristics.

Hypotheticly:
1. wide vs. thin band
2. Black-tipping vs. no tipping
3. orange vs. yellow vs. white bands
4. black-belly vs. checkered
5. upper longitudinal chains vs absent

Just to name a few.

I want to test breed the black-belly trait and nail it down. Then I'll rework my notes and see what other answers I can get or which breedings are still needed.
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Bob Bull
2.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
2.2 L.g.g GA locality
1.3 L.g.g albino
1.3 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

Since you all liked that so much, "heres Johnny."
Or another bad 70's show
"Like so Bachelor Nmber One, are you the rugged outdoors type?"

"I would take you for long walks in the forest..."

Look into my eyes... Or the mouse version of "IT" by S.King

He is also 34" at one year.

So should I breed them in the spring? It is real tempting.

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Bob Bull
2.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
2.2 L.g.g GA locality
1.3 L.g.g albino
1.3 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

Hey Bob

He is a real looker as well. Do yours have that type of feeding response where they will start chewing on you everytime you pick em up ? Man my male is like that he never strikes but he will start chewing on my arm or even my shirt. Wasnt a big deal when he was little but now he really draws some blood lol. Also how about some pics of you big MD male and a few Holdnack baby pix.

Keith
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The more I see of those Ga easterns the more I like! I can see why they have become a favorite for a number of the posters on here. Phil

Phil,
They're great animals. I enjoy your field posts keep them coming.
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Bob Bull
2.3 L.g.getula MD Locality
2.2 L.g.g GA locality
1.3 L.g.g albino
1.3 L.g.g het albino
1.2 L.g.g P-het albino
1.0 L.g.floridana peanutbutter
0.2 L.g.f. het peanutbutter
1.0 L.g.f. N.E. axanthic
1.0 L.g.nigrita
1.1 L.t.hondurensis het hypo-melanistic
0.1 L.t.hondurensis hypo-melanistic

Hey Bob,

Nice work, they really look great! It looks like you've done a superb job of raising them. The size discrepancy thing is really interesting. We should put the biggest ones together to see if we can breed a truly giant strain of eastern to get rid of all of those unwanted burms and retics out there (LOL).

I kept back one black bellied female from last year and hope to breed her with a male I kept a couple of years back. I wonder if the patternless belly and lower lateral striping is a marker for a mutation like it has proven to be in a couple of strains of ball pythons (pied and ivory)??? We'll soon know, I hope.

This year I hatched a couple of clones of my very wide banded male "Frank the Tank" from each clutch that he fathered. However, it is going to take a few more test breedings to figure out if it is a simple recessive or polygenetic trait. I'm just damn glad it is inheritable. I refer to them as clones because they are nearly identical in individual markings, pattern and color to their dad. A few widebanded bullseyes also popped up this season. I'll get off of my lazy arse and get some pics up soon.

Anyway, thanks for posting such awesome pics and keep up the good work!

Will