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Alright I'm sorry that was mean there's no morph to be found here.

I was actually wondering if anyone knows if a "sunglow"(I don't know what the bp name would be) has been produced. I'd love to see some pics if anyone knew a link.

Also, I think somewhere I saw a picture of a true ghost bp(axanthic hypo) but again I may be imagining it. Anyone have links for pics of them.

If the double simple recessives have been done with clowns and pieds then I would think the more affordfable morphs must have been done.

Thanks for the help.

Cole Maas

A true sunglow or ghost can not be produced out of the current stain of hypo ball python. I.M.H.O they are not hypos, but a lesser version of a t pos. albino. The "hypo" Honduran milks and the crimson corns are the same. A true hypo is a snake with a reduction of the amount of black pigment, not a reduction in the intensity of the black. Take the hypo boa for example. It has an actual reduction in the amount of black, so when an albino boa is exhibiting the hypo trait it has a reduction in the amount of white, therefore it does not have the contrast between the orange and yellow coloration. This makes is a true sunglow. That lack of white is what gives the animals that yellow/orange, sun look.

Now let’s talk about a "hypo" albino ball Python. Its physical amount of the dark pigment is the same as a wild type animal. Therefore the amount of white in the albino is going to be the same as a normal albino. This is not how you make sunglows, but they do make very cool looking albinos. NERD produced one about a year ago and even though it did not have the sunglow appearance, it is an awesome looking snake.

As I said before, the genetics of the "hypo" ball and the hypo Honduran seem to be the same. They both have the same gun metal grey color that has replaced the black, they both have a special change happening to the colored areas, and they both shed clear. I just think they were named incorrectly from the start.

The double homo animals produced out of these strains appear to be a t pos., t neg. cross and not a sunglow.

My $.02
-Jon

Thats a good observation.I had not thought of it that way(and i have seen hypos that look a bit like caramels to me)
Thanks for sharing.
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Charles Glaspie

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An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

>As I said before, the genetics of the "hypo" ball and the hypo Honduran seem to be the same. They both have the same gun metal grey color that has replaced the black, they both have a special change happening to the colored areas, and they both shed clear. I just think they were named incorrectly from the start.

My own opinion is that the hypo Honduran was named correctly and the "hypo" boa constrictor was named incorrectly.

Using the official name, "salmon", for the boa mutant gene would make things clearer. Sunglow in the boa constrictor is a combination of albino and salmon. There seems to be no mutant gene in either Honduran milks or ball pythons with the same effect on appearance as the salmon mutant gene has on a boa. Until one turns up, there can be no sunglow Honduran or ball python.

T-positive albino is a useless name. It is just a fancy way of saying lighter than normal.

Paul Hollander

These are older pics...but this is them...the last pic is a comparison with a normal albino. Not as dramatic as a sunglow boa...but either way the genetics are there....

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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

Hey thanks all for the info. Anybody know if there are any hypo axanthics out there? I'd figure they would be similar to ghost boas but the influencing gene there isn't axanthic its anerthrism(I know it's spelled wrong)

Cole Maas