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.....can't seem to spell C-A-T in their ads? (Or is that K-A-T?)

Sorry....but if I'm shopping for $2K-3K animals....if you can't spell my guess is you can't read very well either......which then concerns me about your knowledge of the care of the animal you are trying to sell.

Maybe it's just me....but if you are advertising ANYTHING....a dictionary might be a sound investment?

Anyone feel the same way?

TC

>>.....can't seem to spell C-A-T in their ads? (Or is that K-A-T?)
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>>Sorry....but if I'm shopping for $2K-3K animals....if you can't spell my guess is you can't read very well either......which then concerns me about your knowledge of the care of the animal you are trying to sell.
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>>Maybe it's just me....but if you are advertising ANYTHING....a dictionary might be a sound investment?
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>>Anyone feel the same way?
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>>TC

Not to start a dispute over this,It's only my opinion!But people still an this post shows this,That we dont live in a perfect world!Their are many people across the country that may have a disability or others that just didnt do well in school or for other reasons just dont do the best when it comes to writing or typing!Does that mean they dont love or care for their animals,NO!!Does that mean that they dont give the best care for their animals like a individual that carries an A Average in english an writing,No!I know personally,I cant type worth a crap an I cant type an look at the screen at the same time like others can,An I make plenty of mistakes!But if one feels that someone that doesnt spell very well dont care for their animals,Well they have the right not to purchace an animal from them!You dont like that they cant spell very well then dont buy!I cant spell or type worth a crap an I take excellent care of my boa an on top of that produced a litter of 37 healthy babies an sold them all an anyone who purchaced one of my babies was completely happy with them!An shes pregnant again!Like I said this is only my opinion!Ill stop rambling,Eric[Hypoboa]
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E&C's Exotic House of Reptiles

It may be a pet peeve of mine as well, however I am finding it harder to spell and puncuate as I get older thus becoming more forgiving. I am not the most educated person out there, wishing that I would have finished college but you can't judge a certain person's character and the way they handle business on how they spell or puncuate. I have seen some "English majors" rip people off so it goes to show you that pre-judging folks isn't the best route to take. You may miss out on some deals!!!!!!!

any one who can figure out that punnet square stuff is way ahead of me!

I know I have not spelled everything in my adds correctly before, I usually catch it after the fact, I know alot of breeders that work a normal job and post after work, which in my case I am usually pretty tired, and can easily make mistakes, I don't think that a few misspelled words made the difference when people bought snakes from me, They all got really high quality for a reasonable price, and second if I was in the market to spend thousands of dollars for a snake I think I would probably purchase at a show where I could see the snake in person before dumping several G's on it. I have a tendency to type fast which makes lots of errors, Just my opinion..
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"Life is a Safari"

Use MS WORD or any other program with spell check and then CUT & PASTE. You don't even need scissors.

I understand some people do have difficulties. I'm in the same boat though. I see ads with spelling and grammatical errors and I look at the pictures and move on. I'm still interested in the snakes, but I can't see myself doing business with them.

n/p.

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I didn't lear to read till I was 13. I started breeding snakes at 14. I got my fie bioology degree at 22. sorry if I misspell but you have no right to say I don't know how to take care of my snakes and produce some nice animals.

I would not go as far to say that someone with spelling problems has poor quality animals. I feel that it is lazy and very unprofessional to have mistakes in your ad, whether it's a $20 animal or a $20,000 one. Hobby or not, as a seller on Kingsnake you are providing someone with your service, and hopefully, expertise. What's worse is that many times, the ad makes no sense either, like "I have 4' Male redy to bred this season if not next year. Asking $2,000K for him. Plus shipping that will be around 40-50 great animal for price." To me spelling errors and grammatical mistakes say, "I just don't care." It would take about 20 seconds to clean that up, yet they leave it like that. This thread is like an insight to the intelligence level of this forum. "Some of us didn't get A's." Come on, we are talking about passing the third grade!
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1.0 Super Ghosts
0.1 DH Ghost
2.3 Salmon Boas
2.8 BCI
3.10 Various Corns
1.3 Albino Sinaloans

Not even your god will judge me!

If I'm going to spend $700 on a boa, I want the guy selling to at least know the basics of grammer.
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1.0 Columbian (BCI)
0.1 Suriname (BCC)
0.1 Longicauda (BCL)
0.1 Bolivian (BCA)

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Derek Roberts
Sonoran Reptile Breeders
sonoranreptile@cox.net
"As we wait here for a sign, we are greeted by the end of time." --Zao

* * * * * Hog Island Boa * * * *
NOT FREAKIN "HOGG ISLANDS" cant spell NO SALE !!
This "new hogg" label pretty well CONFIRMS the "TRUE QUALITY" being offered. ....... "IMO"Im not alone either

M/

>>I would not go as far to say that someone with spelling problems has poor quality animals. I feel that it is lazy and very unprofessional to have mistakes in your ad, whether it's a $20 animal or a $20,000 one. Hobby or not, as a seller on Kingsnake you are providing someone with your service, and hopefully, expertise. What's worse is that many times, the ad makes no sense either, like "I have 4' Male redy to bred this season if not next year. Asking $2,000K for him. Plus shipping that will be around 40-50 great animal for price." To me spelling errors and grammatical mistakes say, "I just don't care." It would take about 20 seconds to clean that up, yet they leave it like that. This thread is like an insight to the intelligence level of this forum. "Some of us didn't get A's." Come on, we are talking about passing the third grade!
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>>1.0 Super Ghosts
>>0.1 DH Ghost
>>2.3 Salmon Boas
>>2.8 BCI
>>3.10 Various Corns
>>1.3 Albino Sinaloans
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>>Not even your god will judge me!

iT SAD TO SEE THAT NO MATTER WHAT DISABILITY OR PROBLEM SOMEONE MAY HAVE THAT SOME PEOPLE STILL DOnT gEt It!The way a person speaks TYPES oR WALks,Does not say how he or she loves an cares for their animals!Not everyone in life are perfect like some may think they are!An my vocabulary problems I personally have did not hender any of my sales period!An maybe I was just a mean kid who didnt care about school an my teacher passed me threw the 3rd grade to get me the heck out of her class!End result I would have to agree someone like me may have to put a bit of time in posting an advertizement an make sure things are correct an professional looking but to dog someones love for their animals because their spelling skills are off is dead wrong an snobbish!An one day that nonspeller may or may not, have somthing you just have to have!What if the poorest person on here,tHAT HAS THE MOST SCREWED UP GRAMMER PRODUCES THE NEXT AWSOME MORPH TO COME ALONG!yOu telling me you arent going to wanna buy it,lmaooooooooo!Yea Right,Give me a break!Lets forget about dogging people for their grammer an get along as a group of people who are all here for their love of our sacred boa's!A comunity united together,not broken apert over pettiness!Eric[Hypoboa]
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E&C's Exotic House of Reptiles

Insecurity with-in ones self is often displayed as a minority rather then majority.
Do you manage your handicap or does it manage you ?

mOrE PeOpLe gEt It tHen YoU THINK !!

M/

>>>>Not even your god will judge me!
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>> iT SAD TO SEE THAT NO MATTER WHAT DISABILITY OR PROBLEM SOMEONE MAY HAVE THAT SOME PEOPLE STILL DOnT gEt It!The way a person speaks TYPES oR WALks,Does not say how he or she loves an cares for their animals!Not everyone in life are perfect like some may think they are!An my vocabulary problems I personally have did not hender any of my sales period!An maybe I was just a mean kid who didnt care about school an my teacher passed me threw the 3rd grade to get me the heck out of her class!End result I would have to agree someone like me may have to put a bit of time in posting an advertizement an make sure things are correct an professional looking but to dog someones love for their animals because their spelling skills are off is dead wrong an snobbish!An one day that nonspeller may or may not, have somthing you just have to have!What if the poorest person on here,tHAT HAS THE MOST SCREWED UP GRAMMER PRODUCES THE NEXT AWSOME MORPH TO COME ALONG!yOu telling me you arent going to wanna buy it,lmaooooooooo!Yea Right,Give me a break!Lets forget about dogging people for their grammer an get along as a group of people who are all here for their love of our sacred boa's!A comunity united together,not broken apert over pettiness!Eric[Hypoboa]
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>>E&C's Exotic House of Reptiles

rEAD IT sLEEP IT AN wEEP it!
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E&C's Exotic House of Reptiles

Your last line on your post. Yes, he will. You and me both. I would not reply, but since you air your beliefs in your post, I feel I must respond. If the moderators remove this post, they should remove ANY posts with religious messages.

spell checking the ad/e-mail. I think anyone who has a keyboard in front of them has done this. But the fact that in some ads the NAME OF THE ANIMAL for sale or the type (i.e. hypo, albino, striped, etc.) is misspelled is either laziness or they REALLY do not know how to spell what kind of animal they own. Here are some examples I have run across over the past few years in the classifieds:
Bermese python (It is named after its country of origin)
Stripped boa (does it not come with clothes?)
oakatee corn (make an effort to get it right....)
pithon?????? (WTF?)
columbian boa (are there alot of boas native to s. carolina?)
rosey boa (.....)
lepard gecko, tortoise, etc...(again, make an effort)
leusistic ratsanke (type it into google...LOTS of this)

These are just some that come to mind because I have them multiple times. I understand if you misspell some words. But for the love of god, make an effort to get the name of the animal right. You'd figure after seeing burmese pythons in ads, in photos, books, magazines, and event major motion picutres that herp people would remeber how it is spelled. I personally don't even look at ads that have the name of the animal spelled wrong. These people in these ads may have the nicest, healthiest animals for sale, but I'll look at the ads where the people have taken the extra 10 seconds to present their animals professionally. That goes for the ALL CAPS ADS WITH NO PUNCTUATION AND A TONS OF ABBREVIATION WITH NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER. Example:
"FEMALE BOA 6 FT $150 E-MAIL ME"

Make an effort......

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Derek Roberts
Sonoran Reptile Breeders
sonoranreptile@cox.net
"As we wait here for a sign, we are greeted by the end of time." --Zao

I'm very disappointed to see the responses from many of the people. I'm sad to see people judging others in regards to bad spelling and then see that they have failed to try and paradigm shift. People are simply assuming that the way they see things is the way they really are or they way they should be. Who really is the ignorant person here? A flaw in personality ethic is worse then spelling in my book ANYDAY. I was very disappointed to see people open their mouths (type their opinion) and at the same time fail to step out of their paradigm. Are we to assume that because someone spells incorrectly that they don't know or understand basic business principles? Are we to assume that anyone spelling correctly won't disappear with a few of your dollars? Maybe you should ask yourself on who is more likely to get away with your 10k in cash and not get caught? People like Peter Kahl and Rich Ihle sometimes misspell ads; does this mean that they don’t know what they are doing? Chances are you won’t think less of them, yet someone else can have similar knowledge and not have a name that is know and yet you are willing to judge that individual? Maybe you should ask yourself as to why you called someone lazy yet failed to call the person that misspelled the ad to find out more information on him/her, their business practices and how they maintain their animals? Now, I'm not saying that all persons that type incorrectly are good; we can expect all people regardless of proper spelling and punctuation to fall into the a category of not taking appropriate care of their animals and practicing sound business. All I'm saying is that someone should not down someone because of a certain flaw while at the same time displaying theirs. I guess the perfect business person does not exist, at least not here. That's my dollars worth.

For those of you that do not understand paradigm shift, I’ll explain it to you. Let say you are walking down the street and you see a person walking 30’ in front of you bump his shoulder on the wall and you automatically think this person is an idiot. Now say that person turns around and you see that the person had a red tipped cane and was wearing glasses. The person you automatically labeled an idiot was actually blind! Who really is the idiot, the person that bumped into the wall or the person that was quick to judge this person?

Thanks,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

Kind of shocked at the other posts especially the one in response to Eric's.....complete lack of compassion.....nice!!!

I to was shocked at the apparent lack of compassion in several of the replies. I would also agree that while correct spelling and grammar are an indication of attention to detail / professionalism, they are not directly related to the quality of animals offered or to the quality of care they have received.

I would think that the "con men" out there would "pay attention to detail" in order to "take down more marks".

My $.02

btw, I felt I had to run this through spell checker to fend off nasty replies about my spelling capabilities and damned if it didn't find three errors.

A lil rainbow eye candy:

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Thanks,

Dave "Rainbows-R-Us"

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0.2 kids
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1.1 Ball python
0.1 BCI "Elvira" normal from 1989
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0.1 BCI Hypo / het-albino
0.1 BCI Anery / het-albino
0.1 BCI Hypo (possible super)
1.0 BCI albino het stripe
1.0 BCI salmon hypo
0.1 BCI ghost

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

When "shopping" online, you really don't have much to judge people buy. ESPECIALLY people who have not made a "name" for themselves. Most people who are into reptiles know Peter Kahl, Bob Clark, etc. Not many people know Derek Roberts. You just know me from what I type here on the forums and for the very small number of people who have purchased animals from me. Let's say there are 2 ads for the exact same animal for sale. One reads:
"100% het. albino Colombian boa and leucistic TX ratsnake for sale!"
The other reads:
"100% het albino Columbian boa and lusistic TX ratsnake for sale"
You look in each ad and they are priced exactly the same. Which one of these sellers would get the e-mail from most of us? Both sellers may be great people, but since we cannot meet them in person and talk to them live, then we must judge them by what we see typed.
Not being able to spell is NOT a character flaw. Everybody has faults and flaws. But in our hi-tech world of computers, spelling while typing is VERY easy to correct. All I am asking is that if you have something to sell and you want to SELL it, then take the extra time to make sure you are presenting it properly. Don't get angry at people, like me, who are cautious with dealing with people they will never meet. have been ripped off before and I choose who Ideal with carefully...as should EVERYBODY. I don't use PAYPAL...ever, and have been criticized for it. I don't buy animals in ads with no pictures, and I don't buy from ads where the thing for sale is not spelled right. This is just MY WAY OF SHOPPING ONLINE. Not saying it is the right way, just mine.
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Derek Roberts
Sonoran Reptile Breeders
sonoranreptile@cox.net
"As we wait here for a sign, we are greeted by the end of time." --Zao

...to argue too much....I left for the day or would have joined in the DISCUSSION.

I'm not talking about the occasional spelling error.....but more of the ones that are actually difficult to read because there are MANY errors.....some that 12 year opld kids don't normally make....almost like they just don't care...and that influences your perception.....know what I mean?

Anyway.....no need to divide folks here.....just wondered what you all thought....and I got it!

Have a good night all!

TC

Spelling does not matter to me as much as comprehension. You say potato, I can say potatoe…. We both know what it means. If I offer a Moatley (yes I know it’s misspelled) for $6,000 are you going to pass it up because you are going to assume I do not know how to take care of it? My father is from Puerto Rico and has no formal education, yet someone here will judge or question his knowledge of his job duties or hobbies because he is unable to spell correctly? Is this for real? If you are judging someone’s character based on spelling, I hope everyone here has married or will marry a graduate from Harvard or else they may end up with a spouse that will abuse their children! We as people need to learn to comprehend or at least try to understand other people, that is what makes us human beings.

One thing I know for sure is that the person unable to spell has a better chance to become a C.E.O. by learning to read then a person that is unwilling to learn effective interpersonal communications skills and learn to see the world from more then just their own perspective.

I hope that my comments don't offend but rather help people expand their way of thinking.

Thanks,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

it were like this: o5 Moatlee forsell &6000 shiped.

See the occasional spelling errors are one thing (we all do that), and this has nothing to do with weather you love and care for Boas to the fullest. But if your going to try to advertise, and you have a problem with either typing, or spelling, then you should at least spend the time to proof read the ad, or spell-check, or have someone else read it first, or have someone else WRITE it for you. I would say that I am a somewhat decent speller, but I'll take up to 45 minutes to post an ad on Ebay that only has four sentences at the most. The whole part of advertisement is based on how a product/animal is presented, and poor advertisement will turn people away - plain and simple. This shouldn't be shocking to anyone. How comfortable would I feel sending someone a few hundred bucks, not even knowing if he/she can write my address properly !
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Getting someone's address is much different then coming up with your own composition. As I stated before someone may not have formal education, this does not mean they are unable to take care of animals properly and/or have good business ethics. Instead of giving credit to your fellow human being for trying, you will sit here and point your finger. Would the professional thing not be to contact your fellow person and educate them on what the proper spelling should be? To me, that speaks more about character then what I have been seeing.

In regards to Sonoran Reptiles reply I think it will be 5 posts above this one; you stated you used spell check, yet you used "buy" incorrectly in your very first sentence! Nice to see someone discredit another person while showing those flaws them-selves. Isn’t this a crazy world? In regards to the post Morgans Boas, what in the world is 100 bucks? Is this the talk of a professional business person? You see, what you people don’t realize is that you draw the line right below your own discrepancies. Your mistakes are acceptable but anything less then your paradigm is unacceptable? Are you for real? From what I’ve seen my spelling and composition is better than most of the people that have posted on this subject, so is my care of animals and business practices better then yours? I’m sure your answer would be no, however anyone that has worse spelling and composition difficulties than you most likely is. And we wonder why the world is the way it is! I’m at least glad to see that there are people like BTHAKER and RAINBOWS-R-US that don’t attempt to discredit someone based on insignificant discrepancies.

I know many of you will read this post and refuse to even attempt to view things from a different perspective, however hopefully one person will be able to read this and realize that there are more views to this world then just their own.

Thanks for reading,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

.......I did say that ones poor spelling doesn't reflect how well they care for their animals. And also that a mis-spelling here and there is not the pet peave that we're illustrating. There are ways to make your ad presentable. It shows me that the person doesn't put forth any effort.
I've seen some nice looking animals for sale that I'd like to buy, but the pic was taken on a dirty carpet. That kinda gives the same impression to me, knowing they could've put forth an effort like putting a clean sheet or what have you.
I'm not posting this and griping about the ads, I'm trying to say that some people (me included) will pass them on by, so if you want to reach as many people as possible, then spend a few extra minutes working on it. But if you only want to whip it out and expect everyone to be accepting of this kind of salesmanship, then you're fooling yourself.
I'm sure their may be some spelling errors here so I digress.
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--aka DMOG68

You can't seem to grasp the point. The fact that you will automatically say someone will lack in effort because the ad is not to your standards shows that you are not willing to consider any factors. You just pretty much said that if an ad is not properly written that a person has not made any effort; not once did I see you consider the possibility that the ad you saw or may see is a person’s best effort at presenting information or an animal. That my friend is genuine ignorance you’re displaying. So before you make a poor attempt of insinuating that I expect people to accept poor service, please think. My words go nowhere in the direction you state. I'll write my attempt in words plain and simple, just because someone does not write an ad to your expectations does not mean they did not make their best effort!

Now in regards to dirty carpet pictures, that of course is a turn off to me too. But unlike you I won't automatically say this person did not make an effort. I work, go to school, take care of 2 sons and my boas, while our home is generally clean; a day or 2 may pass when we are unable to vacuum. If I need to get an ad up and am running late to class, the last thing I'm concerned with is taking out the vacuum cleaner. So taking a picture of a snake on a carpet that has not been vacuumed in only 1 or 2 days means I did not make an effort or maybe it means that I’m a dirty person? So when I see an ad of that caliber I have to consider other factors and not base my decision on just one minor piece of information. Who really is the ignorant person here, the one that drew immediate conclusions or the one that made an effort to find out if his initial thought was correct / incorrect? Better not apply to be a forensic scientist; you definitely won't pass the psyc. interview.

So you can go ahead and build your own conclusions and automatically label people. I won’t label anyone except for you. I see a person that will not hesitate to label a person/s on initial contact or on minor information while making numerous errors himself. I also see a person who very much lacks in managing interpersonal communications skills and has difficulty seeing anywhere outside his own paradigm. I think someone needs work before they can label them-selves as an effective business man and /or manager. I recommend reading how-to-manage books and effective communication readings. If you are unsure on where to start, I will be more ten happy to refer a few. You will more then likely not be happy with this post so I might as well recommend a book on accepting criticism and how to utilize it to benefit yourself.

Before I go I want to let people know of something I read in a Covey book. Covey was riding in a New York subway, when a man and 2 children entered. The man sat down and looked dazed while his children were loud and could not keep still. Covey was getting annoyed at the active and noisy children and the fact that the father did not seem to care of what was going on. Covey told the man that the kids were acting in an inconvenient manner and made an assumption that these children were not properly raised and watched. Well, them man looked at Covey and stated that he (Covey) was correct but did not know how to act himself as well as to how his children should act especially since their wife/mother had died an hour before they got on the subway. How do you think Covey felt? Ask yourself if this would have been you too!

Thanks for reading,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

"Before I go I want to let people know of something I read in a Covey book. Covey was riding in a New York subway, when a man and 2 children entered. The man sat down and looked dazed while his children were loud and could not keep still. Covey was getting annoyed at the active and noisy children and the fact that the father did not seem to care of what was going on. Covey told the man that the kids were acting in an inconvenient manner and made an assumption that these children were not properly raised and watched. Well, them man looked at Covey and stated that he (Covey) was correct but did not know how to act himself as well as to how his children should act especially since their wife/mother had died an hour before they got on the subway. How do you think Covey felt? Ask yourself if this would have been you too! "

This is what I meant by adding to much to what some of us are saying. For the 400th time, I do not think people that have a hard time spelling or punctuating are bad people or don't take ggod care of their animals. Like I said "EVERYONE. INCLUDING ME, MISSPELLS WORDS". You want to make it seem like I have no compassion for people who can't spell. You're wrong. I have NEVER said "do not buy from ads where the animal is misspelled". I said I do not, and that is my right to do so.
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Derek Roberts
Sonoran Reptile Breeders
sonoranreptile@cox.net
"As we wait here for a sign, we are greeted by the end of time." --Zao

You're right; you have every right to purchase boas from people who don't misspell. You may miss out on some good animals though but it's your choice. I'll be expecting some jungles het. for sharp albino this coming season; I may just purposely misspell words on my ad to see how many people will be turned away from my ad because of it.

I wish you the best.

www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

I tend to ignore typos. (Heck, who isn't "guilty" of that?)

HOWEVER, obvious errors, repeated errors, etc. make me completely skip the adds. If someone doesn't care enough to look up the proper way to spell something, I feel that the chance that they care enough about the actual animals is too small for me to want to give them some of my hard earned cash. (Oakatee versus Okeetee in the corn world is a perfect example!)

Obvious, repeated, errors are just too unprofessional for me. My choice, and this isn't putting anyone else down for their ads or their choices. We all have the right to decide where to spend our money. I'd just rather spend it with someone that looks at least a little bit profession.

I also ignore the ads where "i" isn't the proper case, ALL CAPS, no puctuation, etc.

KJ

>>.....can't seem to spell C-A-T in their ads? (Or is that K-A-T?)
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>>Sorry....but if I'm shopping for $2K-3K animals....if you can't spell my guess is you can't read very well either......which then concerns me about your knowledge of the care of the animal you are trying to sell.
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>>Maybe it's just me....but if you are advertising ANYTHING....a dictionary might be a sound investment?
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>>Anyone feel the same way?
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>>TC