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I just got a couple of Baird's recently and I am fascinated. I was looking on the classifieds and saw a emory x baird hybrid. Are there any other hybrids out there? Does anyone have any pics?

There are many many hybrids (check the classifieds) creamsickle corn snakes are hybrids (they have great plains rats in them I think) I also think that green rats are blackXyellow rat but I'm not 100% on that. But there are a LOT of hybrids made each year and there are a LOT that people don't buy.... so before you breed make sure you have a market!
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
0.0.1 Butter Corn "Butters" (South Park)
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson"
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"

This is an FYI: When you cross two animals that are the same species but not the same subspecies, the result is called an intergrade. So your examples of a Great Plains crossed with a Corn (P. g. emoryi x P. g. guttatus) and a Yellow crossed with a Black (P. o. quadrivittatus x P. o. obsoletus) are examples of intergrades.

If you cross a Baird's Rat Snake with a Great Plains Rat Snake, that will produce a hybrid because you would be crossing a P. guttatus emoryi with a P. bairdi.

Note that all these snakes are members of the same genus, Pantherophis.

I understand Hybrids and Integrades and I know there are alot of them out there Im just wondering if there are many between Bairdi and and some other species. I think it would be interesting to see some pictures of the adults.

I also think that green rats are blackXyellow rat but I'm not 100% on that.

The ratsnakes that occur in coastal areas of NC, SC, and GA are natural intergrades between the black rat and the yellow rat. They are called Greenish Rats.

Green Rats are in a totally different genus (Senticollis). They are a common, widespread species in the foothills of Mexico and Central America that reaches southern AZ.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, TX

Funny that you post that, I was wondering about it too .

I recently saw this post
http://www.reptilescanada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4796

it's a cross between a Bairds and a Ghost Corn

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love this world, don't hate it.

Ha, you beat me to it... I was gong to say my friend crossed baird's and a corn... the male is quite orangy and the female is quite grey. The male is also the meanest little snake I've ever met aside from my mexican black king.

Someone told me my snakes had shown up in this forum.

Yep, those are my guys, a baird's female x ghost male corn.

The male is quite nasty as Alex has mentioned!
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~Katt

I know that a few breeders have crossed Mex. Bairds with TX. Bairds... I'd love to see a photo of one of those adults..

I think they'd look pretty awesome.

Byron.

I've never heard of a guttata x bairdi hybrid. I would have to see it to believe it.

There are a few records of bairdi hybridizing with Texas Ratsnakes in the areas of central Texas where they meet. What is interesting is how rarely they actually do hybridize since they are so closely related and occur in the same shallow valleys in parts of central TX (bairdi on the slopes and hilltops, obsoleta along the creeks on the valley floor). That lack of gene flow was the basis for Lawson and Lieb to remove bairdi from the obsoletus group.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, TX

I've crossed P. bairdi with P. guttata for the past three years. I have sixteen hatchlings that just hatched this week. The female bairdi will breed to hypomelanistic or amel male guttata, but has absolutely refused to cross with any snow. The hatchlings dorsal patterns have the bairdi coloration of grey with darker saddles, head pattern is more often broken up than the classic guttata spearpoint pattern, ventral pattern resembles guttata for the first third then breaks up and deminishes for the last two thirds. Ventral coloration varies from slightly brownish to a strong brownish red (the female is a mexican bairdi with a very brownish red, unpatterned belly). The few hatchlings I have raised have all turned an overall brown with darker brown saddles (blotches) within the first year. Like bairdi hatchlings, you have to raise these snakes for a year or so to really know just what they will look like. All newborn hatchlings are very large, again like bairdi hatchlings. I've sold plenty of these at the Birmingham show; they should be several floating around somewhere. Sorry I don't have pics to post; I'll try to arrange some if no one else posts any. I do realize this is the wrong forum for hybrids to be discussed.

Not the wrong forum to discuss ratsnakes, even if they are hybrids, imo. Interesting strand.

Chris, what about P. guttatus x P. bairdi natural hybrids? They occur in the some of the same areas out west. Have you ever heard of any hybrids?

TC

>>Chris, what about P. guttatus x P. bairdi natural hybrids? They occur in the some of the same areas out west. Have you ever heard of any hybrids?

I've never heard of anyone finding hybrids, but I have found both sepcies on the same roads. But remember, guttatus and obsoletus overlap in range over most of the eastern half of the country and rarely interbreed. It may happen occasionally, but I have never heard of it. I haven't read Lawson and Lieb's paper in years. I don't know if they documented it.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, TX

Thanks...

Of course, bairdi seems much more closely related to obsoletus, than guttatus. I think hybrids occur more frequently if two species are very close genetically, and behaviorally. Just an opinion based on species I've seen. Guttatus could be fairly close to bairdi genetically, but may just be quite different behaviorally, too.

Under captive conditions, forced together in a relatively small space, bairdi and guttatus might breed fairly easily. Not that I ever tried it (just a thought.)

TC

FYI: At one time, bairdi were considered a subspecies of obsoletus.