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I have seen some of the photos showing the het pied marker traits(belly side down to tail. Does anyone know if allhet pieds have the trait showing if the are het to pied. Does anyone have a photo of true het that does not have or show the marker traits. I would greatly appreciate any info , comments and certainly photos.
thanks
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Steve Wheat
sfw43@direcpc.com

its not proven yet, i dont think.
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-Marshall
1.1 ball pythons

this is one of my 3.0 05 50%4 pied males.two have some of the so called markers ,but not 1/3 or 3 scales.the breeder said his 100% father did not have the markers.everyone says this one sould prove out!!!!!!!! thanks for looking

Just looks like a ringer to me. Dosne mean it will prove out, but so far ringers have nothing 100% genetically linked to pieds. Infact, if I am not mistaken most ringers have been proven to not be het pied. I would love to know how many people have het pied ringers!

Ben

Here are some photos of my het pied male produced by Pete Kahl, purchased from Brian Potter. (Thanks again Brian!)

Not all het pied males show the 'het markers'. However this male does indeed show the markers.

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Violette Garcia
www.shakahnsgrove.com

Is the marker on visible on the males and not the females. Anyone have photos of Het Pied females belly.
thanks
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Steve Wheat
sfw43@direcpc.com

I don't have any for sure hets but the male 50% chance hets that I bred with the marker passed it to almost exactly half of their offspring without any obvious gender bias. I think males are being mentioned because that is what more people can afford to start out with.

Here is the male I have, he has not been proven yet.

In addition to the black stripe on either side with 3 clear scales in between, he has the "smudge" mark by the vent.

Alan

You know... it could be that some of the first piebalds had some sort of dom trait for the belly striping. This could very well be 100% not a marker for piebald. That said it could mean it did at some point have piebald linage. I think the first breeding project with piebalds was 1.2 by Pete K. That would mean that all the piebalds cam from them, and if one of them had a dom trait for the stripes, this would show up on alot of offspring.

That said, all of my het pieds have it. I will post pics of my females tonight.

Ben

I have read that 80% of all hets have markers. So its 20% hets that doesent. I have a het from Kahl, He is a marker and he is also a ringer.

I also have a unproven farmed juvenile marker/ringer from Togo. An area that some people claims that there are no Pie balds.

Here are some pics. I have several imports from this year that have markers that look just as good as my real het piebalds. Ask before you use these pictures for anything!

Ben
Americna Tropics

Wow...an import with Pied markers. I gather you will breed them to see if the imports are het for pied ?
thanks for posting the photos.
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Steve Wheat
sfw43@direcpc.com

Yah, I found 2 very nice females with the markers, but thats why I say the markers dont mean much. I know most of the het piebalds have them, but I could sell those two females to someone and they would never know for 2 or 3 years that they got normals with belly stripes. Thats why I think the belly stripes are just some other trait, and there is a good chance one of the orig piebalds had them or it may well be a marker for pied. The fact still stands that if you go through enough imports you can find pleanty like this.

Now one thing I have noticed, see how dark and unbroken the stripes are on the import? I think it was snakebstr (David) that posted 3 snakes side by side a number of months ago and said guess which one is not the real het, and it was the one with the really solid stripes like my import. I dont know if he ever proved it out or not. If mine where not females, I wouldnt waste my time.

I will try to prove them out, and let you all know. Boy it would be sweet if they are het pied! My current female hets cost $1500 each. But I know I got them from a good source. Joe (HellFire Reptiles) is really a great guy.

Ben
American Tropics

Whaddyah think of this girl ?

...or this male even?


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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

Well I would say they more resemble my het pieds. I am no expert, and have not delt with tons, but I would say they have nice black strips, and not too solid. They break up in spots, but are still very much connected. If I had to pick them from my imports, I would pick them.

Ben

Heres a post by someone where they are looking at snake bellys, they are really looking for yellow bellys, but this person says this is a normal. It has belly stripes just like a het pied.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=915545,915706

Ben

Heya Ben...i thought i would tell you that the girl is an 03ch and the male is a 03possible het caramel.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

That should have read ...

Forgot to add that they are ch and poss het caramel.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.