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FL press: giant exotic snake's fatal mistake of trying to swallow an alligator ...

Oct 05, 2005 12:48 PM

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MIAMI HERALD (Florida) 05 October 05 It's alien versus predator in Glades creature clash - A giant exotic snake's fatal mistake of trying to swallow an alligator has provided scientists with strange new evidence that pythons are continuing to spread in the Everglades. (Curtis Morgan)
A meeting between two of the largest and fiercest predators in the Everglades -- a Burmese python and an American alligator -- ended in a scene as rare as it was bizarre.
The 13-foot-snake and six-foot gator both wound up dead, locked so gruesomely it is hard to make heads, tails or any other body part of either creature.
When the carcasses were found last week in an isolated marsh in Everglades National Park, the gator's tail and hind legs protruded from the ruptured gut of a python -- which had swallowed it whole.
As an added touch of the macabre, the snake's head was missing.
For scientists, exactly how the clash occurred is a compelling curiosity. More importantly, the latest and most extraordinary encounter provides disturbing evidence that giant exotic snakes, which can top 20 feet in length and kill by squeezing the life out of prey, have not only invaded the Everglades but could challenge the native gator for a perch atop the food chain.
''It's just off-the-charts absurd to think that this kind of animal, a significant top-of-the-pyramid kind of predator in its native land, is trying to make a living in South Florida,'' said park biologist Skip Snow, who has been tracking the spread of the snakes.
Pythons, likely abandoned by pet owners, have been seen in the Everglades since the 1980s. But in the past two years alone, Snow has documented 156 python captures, a surge that has convinced biologists the snakes are multiplying in the wild.
The growing population of big, scary predators also raises questions about threats to native species and whether anything indigenous -- gators, for starters -- might be capable of consuming and potentially controlling one of the world's largest snake species.
The latest find was spotted floating in a spike rush marsh in the Shark River Slough on Sept. 26 by Michael Barron, a helicopter pilot flying park researchers to tree islands. It was examined the next day by Snow.
The discovery was important for a number of reasons.
For one, it showed the snakes are capable of living anywhere in the Everglades, Snow said. Most earlier finds have been on park fringes, roads or parking lots.
''This is the first we have documented Burmese pythons really in the heart of the slough,'' Snow said.
It also confirmed that snakes and gators, while typically consuming less troublesome mammals, turtles and birds, have an appetite for each other -- at least when the opportunity presents itself.
The first observed encounter in the park occurred three years ago when awestruck onlookers at the popular Anhinga Trail boardwalk witnessed a tussle between a 10- to 15-foot snake and six- to nine-foot gator. That fight, which lasted an estimated 24 hours, ended in an apparent draw, with both swimming off and vanishing.
Earlier this year, Snow documented a gator killing and consuming a python. The latest encounter showed that a hungry adult snake can eat a sizable gator.
Such clashes, though spawned by damaging incursion by an exotic species, can't help but fascinate both the public and scientists, said Frank Mazzotti, a University of Florida wildlife professor and expert on crocodiles and gators in the Glades.
''We've got not only two big things, but two charismatic mega-fauna -- the Burmese python, invader of the Everglades, and the American alligator, monarch of the Everglades,'' he said.
Mazzotti said size would probably dictate which species would win most encounters, and scientists could only speculate why this one ended in double deaths.
Snow's detailed field notes provide some evidence the snake was the attacker -- there were wounds on the gator's head and ''large wads of alligator skin'' in what remained of the snake's digestive tract.
He was so intrigued that he e-mailed photos and notes to other experts around the country.
So far, several theories abound, none of them pretty and all speculative because once on the scene, Snow quickly abandoned plans to load the bloated, badly decomposed carcasses on the chopper.
''We decided there was no way we were going to do that,'' he said. ``Something was going to go wrong and it was going to be nasty.''
Instead, he performed a ''floating'' necropsy in the water.
While unusual, it's not unheard of for a snake to consume prey that proves too hard or large to digest. Things like claws, hooves or bones can damage the snake's internal organs. The bulk of a victim can put pressure on the snake's lungs, essentially suffocating it from within.
Slowed by the extra weight, the snake might have been attacked by another gator, which could explain a missing python head.
Joe Wasilewski, a South Miami-Dade biologist and expert gator and crocodile tracker, examined the photos and surmised the gator wasn't quite dead when the snake swallowed it snout-first.
That's not uncommon, he said. ''That [gator] could have been kicking its hind legs and ruptured the snake's stomach wall,'' Wasilewski said.
Mazzotti said a similar scenario could have happened even if the gator were dead because of a quirk of its nervous system. Until a gator's spinal cord is severed and literally stirred into jelly with a special tool, he said, ``a dead alligator gives a remarkably good imitation of being alive. One of the things they do is they move their legs like they're walking. Those claws are pretty sharp. It could tear through the [snake's] skin.''
Mazzotti said it's also plausible the snake scavenged a dead gator. Then time, decay and heat could explain what happened next: a nasty blowout of the snake body.
''You've got a deteriorating carcass, you've got a buildup of gases, you've got sharp claw points . . . ,'' he said.
Snow said a few wags even suggested the deaths were weird enough to fit into the plot of the new TV series Invasion, which involves aliens descending into the Everglades from strange lights during a hurricane.
The carcasses were found a week after the show debuted, he said. ``I've heard some jokes that maybe it was the lights.''
giant exotic snake's fatal mistake of trying to swallow an alligator

Replies (12)

bps516 Oct 05, 2005 05:17 PM

It could be a distant relative of the Burmese maybe? I love when the news websites forget to run spell check!
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Oct 05, 2005 09:58 PM

MIAMI HERALD (Florida) 26 January 03 The main event: Gator vs. python - For 24 hours, Everglades titans fight before stunned onlookers (Curtis Morgan)
Wildlife watching in Everglades National Park rarely gets this wild.
A hefty alligator and huge Burmese python left visitors and park rangers awestruck recently when they locked in a marathon struggle for survival that spanned two days.
The encounter between two of the Everglades' largest and fiercest predators, one native and one not, has never been observed before in the park. The first one on record just happened to take place along the Anhinga Trail, the park's most popular tourist stop, on a jammed weekend.
The tussle attracted as many as 200 onlookers at a time, including Rafael Manresa, an interior designer from Kendall who caught it on camera. He had stopped hoping for some pretty pictures of birds and tranquil landscapes. Instead, he got a once-in-lifetime shot of nature baring its fangs -- a savage sight he couldn't shake, even back home.
''It was incredible,'' he said. ``I laid in bed for like a half-hour. I was so wired, I couldn't sleep. I have given up coffee, so I know it wasn't caffeine.''
The encounter, the talk of the park since it occurred Jan. 5 and 6, has quickly taken on some tall-tale aspects. But by any measure, it was amazing.
The python was reported to be anywhere from 10 to 15 feet, the gator, 6 to 9 feet. The battle lasted anywhere from 19 to 30 hours, but park biologist Skip Snow, who is compiling data on pythons in the park, put it at 24 hours from the time the creatures were first spotted, already engaged.
Although it's not clear which animal struck first, Snow and his colleagues believe the gator, an opportunistic sort that will eat just about anything that wanders by, probably hit the swimming snake.
Gators are frequently seen stalking and killing food. Pythons, though they have been seen in the park since the 1980s, are more elusive. But in the past few years, they have begun showing up often enough that biologists believe they might be breeding in large enough numbers to pose a threat to other species.
One worrisome question is whether anything in the park can prey on a species that ranks among the largest snakes in the world.
The bout provides one anecdotal answer: Gators might at least give it a go.
The gator clamped its maw just below the snake's head and seemed to control the fight, diving for long periods, resurfacing and swimming from place to place. The snake fought on and off, sometimes wrapping its powerful body around the gator, at other times just floating limp, looking lifeless.
For gators, carrying around prey for a day isn't unusual, Snow said. They do it to protect their meal from other gators.
Snow once saw a gator in Shark Valley carry ``a rotten, stinky old otter carcass around for days.''
That makes the conclusion to the battle all the more stunning. It was a draw.
A camper witnessed the end the morning after it began. When another gator began sniffing around, the gator opened its jaws, possibly to protect itself. The snake, Snow says, thrashed to life and scurried off.
Manresa can't believe it survived for long.
''If you see the photos, that snake is done for,'' he said.
But Snow says large snakes, equipped with powerful constricting muscles, have crawled away after being run over by cars. And he has asked Anhinga Trail staffers to be on the lookout for any signs that a large animal has died nearby -- like circling vultures.
''So far,'' he said, ``nothing like that has come to light.''

St.Pierre Oct 05, 2005 10:32 PM

The snake in that picture is not a Burmese python
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ginebig Oct 06, 2005 03:43 AM

I believe they said it was bloated, which means the pattern is most likely faded at least. How can you tell from that photo? Doesn't look like a retic.

Quig

St.Pierre Oct 06, 2005 06:53 AM

Nope doesn't look like a retic but it does look like an African Rock . I saw a better picture on the news .
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Bighaze Oct 06, 2005 09:57 AM

Sorry to say but your wrong, it is a burm.

Last night wfla did a short story on it with a lot more pics then I've seen on line, and it is a burm.

The big question is how do you stop a wild snake from breeding?

Any ideas?

bps516 Oct 06, 2005 12:24 PM

Though probably not the prefered method, I think the gator found a very effective way to keep a wild snake from breeding.
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Bryan, Atlanta GA

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0-1-0 Mountain Horned Dragon - Ki
0-0-1 Aggressive Bearded Dragon - Zeus
1-1-0 Rats... no wait... ROTTEN Little Cats - Ra, Bastet
0-1-0 Little Angelic Kitten - Isis
1-0-0 Horse... whoops... BIG Golden Retriever - Jake
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happysurgeman Oct 06, 2005 03:48 PM

i dont know hwta can keep them from breeding.

But i know there has to be some Retic and Anaconda owners out here in miami ready to release their unhandable snakes in teh glades.

Could you imagine Anacondas breeding in the everglades?

tcdrover Oct 07, 2005 11:14 AM

I've heard that there are already some anacondas out there.

You should see all the tropical fish I spot in the canal by my house. I've seen angel fish, koi, gold fish, albino koi. All kinds of stuff is out there...

Iguana's as well are out of control over here. They're pretty interesting animals, completely fearless. I see them basking right by the street. Apparently they're smart enough not to get run over because I've seen the same ones for over 2 years now...

St.Pierre Oct 08, 2005 11:54 PM

I saw it on the news too and I still say this one is a rock .
Look closely at the tail area

They keep saying it is a burm because they have caught many burms there but there are also African rocks . They just don't see them because they are a lot more secretive . I have caught African rocks in canals in the area ranging from about roughly twice the size of hatclings to 10-11'range . And I saw one that was so large it was scarry ... Ron and I tried to catch it and it slid into the water ... we couldn't get it back up onto the bank and it began to drag Ron into the water . They are there they just don't see them .

During Hurricane Andrew there were several importers who lost everything in the storm and there were both rocks and burms lost .
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Stella St.Pierre
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Bighaze Oct 10, 2005 10:53 AM

I'm not saying rocks arnt there. I'm sure they are, just like condas, and retics, and niles and so on and so on...........

On the news when they were moving it around and it would roll a little, I was able to get a view of the top of the body, and it sure did look like a burm. But I have been wrong before.

I would love to just take a year to spend down there, and study all the new non native reptiles. There is nothen I could do about it, and I know I'm not the one to find a way to fix it, BUT SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING. It's so easy to say that, just wish it was as easy to get rid of them.

Get this, as I typing this reply, WFLA news was on. They just did a story out of Miami where a Cat was eaten buy a "wild burm". No one saw it happen, they just found the snake with a lg lump in it, and said "You can see the lump right there, it has to be the cat" WTF?

Sorry but my burm has a lump like that every month, and she has never had cat! some people.

They are putting the snake with some wildlife show, at least they didn't kill it.

Oct 10, 2005 02:32 PM

LIVE SCIENCE (New York, NY) 10 October 05 Python Eats Pet Cat in Florida
Miami Gardens, Fla. (AP): Maybe this Burmese python learned a lesson from the one that tried to eat an alligator but exploded because its prey was so big. This snake apparently took on an animal that never stood a chance -- Frances, a 1-year-old Siamese cat.
Frances vanished last week from his owner's home, but his whereabouts were possibly revealed Sunday. A snake expert says Frances is the bulge inside the 12-foot-long Burmese python.
"Poor baby. He was my favorite cat. I know Siamese (cats) are supposed to be distant, but he slept in my bed and everything,'' said a distraught Elidia Rodriguez, the cat's owner.
The snake was captured and taken to a nature preserve, where it will live in a glass cage.
Earlier this month, a 13-foot python had a run-in with a 6-foot American alligator in Everglades National Park, and neither animal survived. The python blew up as it tried to swallow that alligator.
Capt. Al Cruz of the Miami-Dade Fire Rescue antivenin unit said Sunday's case can likely be blamed on the recent rains.
The snakes "are looking for dry land,'' he said.
Many pythons, which are native to Asia and not Florida, end up in the wild after being abandoned by their owners once they grow too big to handle.
No one saw how Frances, named after one of last year's hurricanes, apparently ended up in the python's grip. Rodriguez learned of the monster snake lurking just five feet from the backyard by chance on Sunday.
A man whose stolen car was abandoned in the woods behind Rodriguez's home came by to look for his wallet in the vehicle. He found the snake instead and ran over to Rodriguez, who called 911.
It took about 10 minutes for Cruz and two other rescue workers to trap the brown-and-black snake in a king-size pillowcase.
"He was very aggressive,'' Cruz said. "He didn't want to be bothered.''
Python Eats Pet Cat in Florida

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