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I would like to thank Ted Doll for this beautiful male T Colombian for which he recieved one of only 4 Pastel dream "Sharp" strain albino boas, This was truly a great trade for both of us, Thank again Ted.

Doug Matuszak
Boa Basement

the beautiful male T Colombian along with the only male Pastel dream "Sharp" strain sunglow. a true dynamic duel.

Let the games begin, time to breed the T albino into every Colombian mutation out there

What an albino! That is just amazing!

Thanks Andy

That's one of the main problems is that everyone believes these hypos are true columbians.....Not saying that you do, beautiful snakes Doug.

Well, for that matter, is the Colombian T Pos. a TRUE Colombian? If these originally were produced from a pair of "normal" boas in a petstore, how much locality data is truly available on them? Enough to say, they're pure? I agree with you on the hypo part. I also don't consider terming multiple locale animals as pure "Central Americans" very locale specific. There are many different areas within Central America. Then on top of that, you have breeders breeding C.A. boas to CanCun boas and calling them Central American....isn't Cancun in Mexico, and Mexico in North America? I have heard people complain about tainting Central Americans but people cheer when Leopard boas are crossed into any other morph available. So, it's okay to ruin the Sonorans, but not the Nics? You have to love the Breeder Politics!! Take care!

Paul

Right on man@!!!
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Greg Holland
GM HERPS
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I have seen alot of sunglows and alot of albinos and I think that is an albino male you have sir. I compared this male to the others 3 pictures of sunglows you have on your site and i think 2 of the three listed on your site are albinos and not sunglows as well.

Have a good day Doug!

That definately looks like an albino and not a sunglow. Look at the white bands around the tail. I also agree that 2 of the 3 sunglows on your site are albinos and not sunglows. Beautiful albinos though.

Matt Crabe

I also agree. I was going to post this but I have not seen as many sunglows as others, so I did not want to say anything. Still a very nice looking snake though.

"Urgent call from Ted on line two."...*dohhh*
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are both albinos... look at their tails.

I see what you all are talking about. Their is a lavander ring and a white ring around that, which makes it look like an albino. I believe the lavander ring is the black on normals. On the other hand I have seen hypos with these black rings (especially close to the tip of the tail), they are just reduced. I think it is hard to say if it is an albino or sunglow. Whatever it is, it's an awesome snake.

Michael Burton

Here are the two 66% poss het Sharp sunglows I purchased from Doug. They are doing great.

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it is a T

T plus, this system will not take the plus sign, so if you thought I was just ignoring that fact, I was not.

I don't think people are talking about the T positive. People are talking about your sunglows. I have to agree that only one of the boas you have listed on your site looks like a sunglow and the others look like albinos. I also spoke to someone who had seen these first hand at Daytona and also said they looked like albinos not sunglows. From what I understand, you weren’t to accepting of their comments. I really think you need to reconsider what you are selling. Are you going to replace them with real ones from your collection of the same age if they turn out to be only albinos? I hope you don’t upset with me but I’m just calling it like I see it. If you did in fact trade the third “sharp sunglow” for the T positive, I think you may be getting a call.

Thanks,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

Please someone tell me where it is written that a sunglow can not have white in the tail.All of the sunglows that were produced by Doug and myself had white on the tails,a year later the white has been replaced with yellow.VFR the one you showed has white in the tail.I also looked on several sites listing sunglows(kahl and sharp) and they all had white rings on the tail pattern,does this mean they are all non sunglow.Also if you read his post there were no sunglows involved in the trade.
Thanks,
Jeff

It is not that they can't have white bands, but they tend to have reduced white bands just as hypos have reduced black banding around the tail blotches. There is a distinct difference between the middle pic on his sight and the other two. Compare their tales. The middle one is definately a sunglow, and in my opinion, the other two are definately albinos. This is just my opinion, and I admit I could be wrong, especially just judging from a single pic. I would love to hear other opinions on this.

Matt Crabe

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I think what VFR meant by "white on the tail" is acutally the white/fleshy/translucsent part where the black would have been on a normal boa. On albinos, the "border" seems to be there from the first tail saddle to the last tail saddle. In sunglows, that "border" does not seem to start from the first tail saddle, rather it starts from around the middle of the tail...basically where the black was on a salmon's tail. Of course there are exceptions as well as borderline animals. Another way (a big salmon breeder told me) is to look at the side diamonds...most of the time (but not all), on sunglows the diamonds/medalians are solid whereas the albinos have white in the center of the diamonds.

But my experience is very limited (1 sunglow litter only), but luckily for my litter the albino and sunglow differences were night and day.


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Dave Lee

Maybe...maybe...on a sharp it is different becuase sharps have big/dark tail borders to start with...??? Thus the reduction will still leave more than a Kahl. Just a guess.
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Dave Lee

This pic was after her first shed, from a sharp albino to a salmon het sharp.
This totally looks differant then any other sharp sunglow ive seen.
There is no doubt this is a sunglow.
I also think that in the tail markings, there should defintiely be a differance between reg albino and sunglow.
Because, there is a huge differance between a salmon(hypo) and a normal boa.
Thats basicly what were talking about, an albino salmon.
In my paticular case, the salmon het sharp I bred to the sharp albino had solid red tail markings, no indication of where black would be on a normal.
I think the pastel sharp albino is a real killer, I'll save my judgemnet on weather its a sunglow or not, thats for him to decide.
Were I to be unsure, I would rather sell a sunglow to someone as an albino , rather then an albino to someone as a sunglow.
Its all good, and they all are beutifl boa's.
This girl here is gonna shed this week, I'll post some more pics then, and better at that.

Click on link to see the pic better.

Thanks
Mike

Bigger pic of phtoto

If it is getting nearly impossible to determine with 100% certainty the difference between a $5,000 Sunglow and a $2,000 sharp albino then why pay the premium for the Sunglow.

Bob

The value of an animal is in the eye of the beholder. As you would not invest in a specific boa as I have I may not think too much of a boa that you have. All of us have our preferences.
Most sunglows can easily be determined, if you have doubt about the boa then purchase one you don't have doubts about. Are you stating that all sunglows look like albinos to you? I'm now downing your judgment, I'm just curious if it's hard for you to tell? I have both albinos and sunglows and I could easily tell the difference.

P.S. I apologize for the trade information I posted, I did not pay attention that the trade was for a pastel sharp ALBINO. I still do think that some of the sharp sunglows listed on the available page look like regular sharp albinos.

thanks,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

Can you say Motley Sharp Sunglow, Arabesque Sharp Sunglow or Jungle Sharp Sunglow? Do you guys remember seeing pictures of the albino Motley? Now imagine the same boa with a dark orange pattern and soft background? I go crazy when I think about how awesome it will look. Remember I said this in a couple years.

Thanks,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

Its going to take a few years though.

As Albinos, both Kahl and Sharp alike, are refined and selectively bred they will continue to get better, this goes without saying. It won't be long before it may be difficult to distinguish the differences between Sunglows and Excellent Albinos.

Sunglows are very striking and beautiful animals, I do not dispute this. I just feel that the market may be flooded with a lot of animals (many not selling) right now and the investment may be a little bit much for me and many others.

This in only my opinion.

I think this is a great thing, by the way. It will continue to raise the bar in the animals we produce.

Bob

I see where you are coming from however...... as normal albinos will get better so will the sunglows. Can we say lipstick sunglows? The Burke's gave us the first perfect example of what is to come out of the sunglows. Can anyone here even come close to saying those boas look anything like albinos? As albinos get better so will the sunglows.

Not to mention salmon boas are also getting better too!

thanks,
www.VazquezFamilyReptiles.com

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