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Problem with Chinese box turtle (Cuora flavomarginata) - Please help!

Just40Fun Oct 07, 2005 02:16 PM

I adopted a 6/7" Chinese box turtle (Cuora flavomarginata), which we believe is a he.

This is his new home:

glass tank : 30" (l) x 12" (w) x 16" (h)
Heating: a heating pad (rated for 10/20 gallons) on 24 hrs placed under the tank.
Lighting: one 50w repti basking spot lamp, on 12 hours/day.
Water: a 12" x 6" water container with 2" of water, change daily.
Temp: 72 deg.
substrate: wood chips about 3" deep

Problem:
He doesn't move much at all, like to hide by going under the wood chips.

We are feeding him with TRex pallets (serve moist), fresh fruit (mainly banana) and yesterday we tried TRex can food.

He hasn't eaten much if at all for 2 weeks now, and moving less and less.

We are very worried.

Replies (9)

pako Oct 08, 2005 01:42 PM

First, any idea of how he was kept before you adopted? Did the person from whom you got him indicate that he'd been tested for and treated for parasites? If not, and you can get a fresh fecal sample (not likely now if he's not eating but keep it in mind when he does start eating), ask a vet to check for parasites! A heavy load of parasites could be affecting the rest of his behavior!! However, do NOT allow the vet to give or prescribe either Ivermectin or Vitamin A, both of which can be toxic to Chelonians!

>glass tank : 30" (l) x 12" (w) x 16" (h)

A large "under-the-bed" tub (Sterilite or Rubbermaid, for instance) is preferable, the bigger the better. With a long tub you can provide a heat gradient and allow the turtle to thermoregulate to his needs.

>Heating: a heating pad (rated for 10/20 gallons) on 24 hrs placed under the tank.

Heat in nature comes from above and so should yours! Although a basking lamp may heat a basking (flat) rock, the animal can move away as needed. Also, "heat rocks" sold for reptiles can over heat and burn the animal; avoid these too!

>Lighting: one 50w repti basking spot lamp, on 12 hours/day.

Much preferred is a UVB lamp (www.reptileuv.com, the self-ballasted will provide heat too), although in the small tank, may overheat the space; thus, a large, open tub with space to move away. Twelve to fourteen hours is good!

>Water: a 12" x 6" water container with 2" of water, change daily.

An excellent water container is a new paint-roller pan, which allows easy access with the sloped ramp and is usually deeper than 2"---they do like water!

>Temp: 72 deg.

Difficult to believe the temp is on 72 with your undertank heater and your basking lamp... Regardless, with a larger tub, you can provide a temp at one end of 82-82, while the other end can be 72 or ambient room temp.

>substrate: wood chips about 3" deep

Try long-strand sphagnum moss or "bed-a-beast" mixed with play sand. Wood chips may mold with exposure to water.

>Problem:
>...
>We are feeding him with TRex pallets (serve moist), fresh fruit (mainly banana) and yesterday we tried TRex can food.

**Some** commercial food is OK if PART of a varied diet! Reptomin is good. Have you offered some nice, juicy earthworms? Available from your local bait store. Other insects and critters (pillbugs/sowbugs) found in an UNtreated lawn are appealing! Bananas as an occasional treat are OK, but berries, strawberries especially, tomatoes, yellow squash, possibly some of the deep-green romaines, variety, variety!!!!
Chinese boxies can eat either on land or in the water, see if he has a preference but a wiggly earthworm will get his attention!

>He hasn't eaten much if at all for 2 weeks now, and moving less and less.

If he isn't burdened with a heavy parasite load, I'd bet a change in his environment will do WONDERS!!!
Let us know how it goes!
HTH, PAKO

rfb Oct 08, 2005 02:44 PM

Go to this web site. I highly recommend it. Your setup is inadequate and needs to be changed.

http://www.turtlepuddle.org/cuora/amboinensis.html

pako Oct 08, 2005 03:06 PM

I forgot to mention Mary's site, meant to!
Do note that Cuora amboinensis is much more aquatic than C. flavomarginata, although flavos love water too, they don't swim as well as the ambos.

rfb Oct 08, 2005 04:06 PM

My mistake. I pasted too much of the URL into the post. It should have been. http://www.turtlepuddle.org

Amazonreptile Oct 14, 2005 12:57 PM

You failed to mention where you are located. Rescue may mean a turtle found wandering outside. If this is the case then he/she may be ready to hibernate as the season is upon us.
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rfb Oct 14, 2005 03:09 PM

NP

buslady Oct 16, 2005 11:16 AM

Flavos are highly aquatic, he needs MORE water. Alot more water. Actually pretty much all of the asian boxies are water lovers. I know of a Flavo living in a huge tank that's mostly water with a neat little hangout area in a corner

pako Oct 16, 2005 08:40 PM

I can only speak from experience with my three juvenile C. flavomarginata (hatched May & June 2002). Although housed in shallow water for about the first year, they now have a vision tub, which is about 1/3 water with filter, 1/3 moist hide, and 1/3 rocky paths and basking spot. They wander about, spending some time in the water, but no more than about 25% of the day; they sleep in the moist hide. Eat mostly on land. I allow them to choose! They love the water but not exclusively! YMMV

RobBierman Oct 29, 2005 05:42 PM

I wouldnt say they are highly aquatic, they are not very good swimmers. They spend majority of their time on land but they love to get into shallow water.

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