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..... I have heard that out of many hypos that are possible het sunglow prove out if they are more speckled and not as light as the others.

Anyone have any expieriance in this?

I know it is a resesive trait and that there are no definate ways of telling but I just wondered if anyone had noticed a common differance in the ones that prove out.

cheers

sam

Whats up Sam, I spoke to Bill Kirby about this same subject and this is what he told me when you purchase possible hets weather its albinos or anerys and ect make sure that it has alot of speckling between the saddles usually it is a true het so i took his advice and since then i purchased about 13 poss hets and 11 of the 13 proved out to be 100% true hets so i hope this can help you Sam. David.

You can tell the Hets. Andy

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Dave Lee

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I have a Hypo Het Ghost, that is speckled, and I am hoping she turns out to be a for sure het. I have heard the same thing about speckles. I guess we will see if she produces Ghosts for me in the future.

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"Life is a Safari"

He has alot of speckles between his saddles.

. . . with more and more selective breedings going on, this marker (if true) will be out-dated. I have a real nice male het (proven) that has no speckling and I've seen many more lately from breeding nice looking normals to Albinos. Jeff Ronne was the first that I heard of having noticed such a marker, and he hinted a few things from what I've read -- 1) That he saw a classified ad for a poss het, and could see the "marker trait" that he looks for in the pic. 2) He said that the possible hets that has the "mark" are "prettier"/ he doesn't call boas pretty, so I'm not sure what he meant.
I've looked long and hard at mt 100% hets, and my recently produced 66% poss hets, and there is one thing that I see on all of my hets, and most of my poss hets, and not at all on my normals. I'm not going to risk public embarrassment by sharing my theory because I haven't done any breedings to support my opinion. I've also seen what I look for on all of the hets that were at the Aneheim NARBC . In my last breeding of poss hets, I had a couple of guys with more speckling than I've ever seen and also with the mark that I look for, but the one that I may hold onto with the mark is among the cleanest of the batch, like good old daddy. -----Have fun with this possible het maze, I'm sure there are many different theories, and mine may be as false as most. I've heard of a few, but I'd find the same marks on my norms, or wouldn't see it on my hets. -David/Morgans Boas
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I mean sure there's some, but less than many average normals out there.

Here he is at Easter time (the ears are not the marker trait). He's looking for the bunny that made these eggs. This is advanced snake hunting camoflauge at its best.

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Not that it really matters, cause we love the boa we got from you regaurdless, but I was just curious what things you look for in your hets? You can drop me an e-mail whenever you get a chance, I would love you hear your theory. I might be picking up another het female at the Northwest Captive Breeders Expo.

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"Life is a Safari"

I'll email you, But I will say that, that one ,to me, is a highly probable het, regardless of the specling, I mean speckling. ha ha .
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When we saw you at the show, at first I was only interested cause she was possible het albino, and we needed a mate for our Male Albino, but since we brought her home.....I now don't care really, she is such a killer Boa, its unbeleivable, The het part is just the cherry on the sundae. I am so glad we brought her home, I have been very happy with her, She is unbelievable in person. Thanks agian, And if she proves out I will love her even more...

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"Life is a Safari"

I have not proven this theory for myself, (to be 100% sure) Please understand this is my reasoning here... but have studied many 66% hets and also 100% hets of which I do own in my own collection. I first thought there had to be a way to tell them appart....then I also read the info about Jeff Ronne saying that there were indeed notable markers to tell hets. I guess I should point out that I am talking about het albino normal looking boas.

To save myself emarressment as well, I will say that I believe I see a noticeable marker that is consistent through 3 different 100% hets from different breeders, and also see these same markers on some 66% hets.

I did show this to someone that was over, and he did not really see what I was talking about....so I really feel it has to be something you should learn for yourself. If you really try, you will find out...

If I am wrong, I would never want to steer anyone in a false direction and cause you to spend needless monies on my account, so I will just say, I see some markers, if you look into it you may see them as well. I would reccomend you purchase some 100% hets...that may help you out.

Sorry I cannot be of any more help on this...it just would be a dis-service to all of you. I hope you understand, Andy Federico

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Could you possible drop me an e-mail when you have a chance and tell me what your theory is? I value your opinion, and don't worry as you said its just a theory right? I was just curious what your theory was. I am not a big time breeder or anything, just gathering opinions and info for my own personal knowlegde. Thanks
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"Life is a Safari"

One thing I have noticed on het albinos, as well as het anerys other then the speckles is they tend to have a yellowish tinge to their coloring. Atleast the ones I have seen first hand along with the pix I try and pay attention too. (The yellow also seems to be more localized along the top between the saddles and less along the sides.)

Here are a couple of my animals who show the yellowish tinge.

This is my Pastel Dream 66% poss het male straight from Ronne (which he said he was fairly confident will prove.. Hopefully we shall see in about a year)

My 100% het albino female from Jamie Quick

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Randall L Turner Jr.
www.aircapitalconstrictors.com

Randy - this theory is in the ball park to mt own theory. In fact I'd say its on 3rd base deciding to run to home plate. In other words almost the same, but not quite. I'll be going to the snake room again now - THANKS ALOT ! LOL
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Neat observation! It would be nice for that to prove out...I just commented to Dave that the female p-dh stripe albino that I got from him seems to be turning yellow on the top??

She is the larger baby. I think you can see the yellow fairly well in these shots...at least I can...

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Delusions of Grandeur feed the EGO...

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Dave Lee

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Randall L Turner Jr.
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Dave Lee

This is Juliette, a '00 female from J.Ronne

And Gwen, an '04 female from Gulf Coast Reptiles.


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Ok, I usually won't jump into a thread that has run this l;ong without me but I feel I have to. There is no way to see a reccessive trait on hets. By definition a recessive gene does NOT show up, unless there are 2 of them. If you are buying hets and possible hets, make sure you do some research and buy from honest people. then, if you want t pick the most speckled one and it make you feel good, do it. There have always been unscruplous people who will sell "possible hets" that they know are normal and many of them will point out "indicator traits" to help it seem legitimate. Please realize this is not an accusation of anyone here, Just a cautionary statement. I remeber when albino burmese pythos were a new and very expensive thing (yes I am old) I had several friends, desperate to get in on the craze that possible hets that had "lots of yellow" or an "orangish tint" because they were sure that these were indicators of the reccessive gene. They were all wrong. and they ended up mad. One of the good things I see in this thread is that, people who who have possible hets, love the snakes even if they don't prove out. This is the right attitude to have with possible hets. remember 50% het also means there is a 50% chance it is perfectly normal. If you really want to guarantee that you have a het, spend the extra money and get a 100% het from someone you know is honest. If you can't afford to do that, by all means, get some possible hets, just do so with an understanding that there is no guarantee and no way to "see" the reccessive trait.

When picking out 66%....you have a 2 out of 3 shot at them being het. That's pretty good odds. And it's easy to dismiss the others and find something "missing". I have some 66% er's but I am not going in my snake room to look at them again....LOL

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Everyone told me that the "ugly" ones are het albinos for sure. So everyone would grab the "ugly" possible het albinos .The uglier the better. LOL. Just because apparently from what I heard at the time the original boas Pete Kahl used were "ugly". Sorry Pete maybe just a rumor thats just what we talked about. I think that theory actually proved out to be false. Now after that the theory was hey you know those "ugly" het albinos with all the black produce the most colorful albinos. LOL. Anyone heard that one? I know that one is false. The better the het albino the better the albino. But you know let the theories fly. Have you seen the piebald ball python marker trait theory? I wonder if thats true? Any how. Albino boas rule! I love them. Everyone needs at least one in their collection.

Quite possibly the best het albino I ever produced:

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