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i know theve only been around for ten years or so but are those prices neccesary?
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jake

my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

np
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Kyle Stevens
Royal Variations

Many a false step is made from standing still.

No. Is a 66 SS Camaro worth 40,50,60k? No. It's a matter of supply and demand. Generally, new morphs are so expensive to import(and it's a gamble), that breeders have to charge top dollar just to break even.

Cole Maas

There's no such thing as a 66 camaro. 67 was the first year.

Perhaps they just havent proven genetic yet. Or perhaps they are just super rare. I say charge $250k for them then!

Ben

if anybody was going to notice that. I saw a "66" camaro ss on ebay the other day and was cracking up so bad because anyone buying a car of that age/prestige would catch that in a heart beat.

Cole Maas

In my opinion as to the extreme price of the ball python morphs is due to several factors.

First, captive bred ball pythons are relatively easy to keep and stay to a manageable size, but at the same time have much more appeal than say a cornsnake or kingsnake.

Secondly, ball pythons have been kept for a relatively long time in captivity, aren't prone to biting, and have small clutch sizes.

Clutch size for ball pythons and the time it takes to raise a hatchling female up to breeding size (2 years) means that the bloodlines aren't available to the average Joe unless he has some serious cash. But as more people begin producing them, the price will drop and eventually the price will be at a level where anyone can buy one because the availability will match the demand or at least come alot closer than it now is.

Oh well, I'm ranting but that is my take on it anyhow

so eventually balls will be like corns, and have several morphs with a price close to the normals, that will rock, but i doubt ill see that day
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jake

my addiction:
2 normal ball pythons (lazlo and izzy)
1 amelenistic corn snake (mazy)
0.1 blizzard corn (blizz)

np

I think pastels will be cheap in 5 years, btu everything else will still be expensive. Especially recessive traits. I bet albinos are still $500-700 each in 5 years. Just not enough supply. The more common traits will still hold value because of what you can mix them with. Albino is a good base for most anything.

Ben

The reason why ball python market will never be like the Corn snake market is very simple. (1)Ball pythons have pretty small clutches.(2)Ball pythons do NOT Double/Triple clutch.(3)Ball python Take much longer to raise to breeding size that corn snakes. Where in corn snakes pretty much any given year you can get 1-3 clutches off a single female and you will probably get 15-25 eggs from each cluch, and in Ball Pythons you are lucky to get 6-10 eggs and only get ONE clutch a year. So you are already not even close to the numbers a corn snake breeder can produce. Now if ball python double/ Triple clutched WE MIGHT have a problem but guess what they DON'T. Or at least I have no information of a ball python double/triple clutching in the same year. And I know for a fact that corn snake do it a regular basis. I have had a ball python lay 2 clutches in a 12 month time line though but never back to back clutched as seen in corn snakes. The ball laid 7 eggs in march 2004 and then 12 eggs in feb 2005. That is the best I did 19 eggs in 2 years from a huge female and with corn snakes that 19 egg cluch would have been the first clutch easy. I had one corn snake lay 29 eggs one season and they all hatched. You would have to breed One ball python 3-5 years in a row to get what that one cornsnake laid in one season and I didn't even try to double clutch that corn. But anyway that is just my opinion on Ball Python Market getting just same as The Corn Snake Market. Thanks David

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)...Man that was a nice one...gone
1.0 Cinnamon Pastel(Bryan Kollwitz)(05)
2.0 Mojave Ball pythons(05)
0.1 Spider Ball(04)(RDR)
1.0 Butterscotch Ghost(04)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
4.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
2.8 Orange Granites(05)
1.0 Yellow Belly(04)(Ian G)
2.0 Yellow Belly(05)(unproven)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's
13 baby 2005 PASTELS just HATCHED...4-8-05 and 5-10-05 (O left)