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I am a little new to the milksnake thingand I was on don shores website and noticed he had albino sinaloans.
Are these nelsoni, or are they actually sinaloans? And what exactly is the diffrence in nelson and sinaloan milks?

-daniel

do a search on albino sinaloans in this forum and about the 20th post in the results is a link to a discussion of your question.
terry

Daniel, they are actually all from the original albino gene. I was told that some of the first albino nelsoni that Dave Blody of the Ft. Worth zoo got keyed out to sinaloan. Another big name, Dave Barker, I was told said that all of the nelsoni in this country were actually sinaloans. I call them albino sinaloans because they have the wider red bands like a sinaloan. I get others that have less red and to me they are nelsoni.

Daniel, they are actually all from the original albino gene. I was told that some of the first albino nelsoni that Dave Blody of the Ft. Worth zoo got keyed out to sinaloan. Another big name, Dave Barker, I was told said that all of the nelsoni in this country were actually sinaloans. I call them albino sinaloans because they have the wider red bands like a sinaloan. I get others that have less red and to me they are nelsoni.

Well I appreciate the response. I was hoping you might see this. I definatly think that one or two of those might be in my collection in the near future. They definatly look diffrent, compared to all the nelsoni that I have seen. Expecially the animal with the pinkish colored head. I baught a pir of milks at the ETHS show for a killer price. And would like to get in touch with you regarding what your splendida's. I have been eyeing them for a while and am also interested in some of them.

thank you for your time,
-daniel

You would be hard pressed to convince me that Sinaloan and Nelsoni are different sub-species. I think the noted differences are just regional variation. Look at the variation in Cal Kings from the same localities. Rosy boas often look different (both in size and pattern) from the top of a valley (higher elevation) than they do from the bottom of a valley (lower elevation). My opinion (which isn’t worth a whole lot) is not scientific by any means, but without hard evidence (DNA), other than band count and supposed size difference, they are so close to each other I don’t see how they can be different sub-species. There is a huge amount of ambiguity in the actual differences too. Supposedly, there is a large area of intermingling of the two sub-species; if the area of integration is that wide spread, how can they warrant separate sub-species designation?