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more bad press for pet pythons in the news today

UAWPrez Oct 13, 2005 07:12 PM

Pet Pythons Terrorize Florida
South Florida is being terrorized by hungry pet pythons on the loose. (October 13)

The above is the headline cut and pasted from aol news, which is read by millions of people daily.

They X-rayed that python and found what appeared to be a cat in it, showed the little girl that owned the cat. And also mentioned that in the last week or two that 5 other pythons in Florida have been run over by mowers. They also repeated the python/alligator story. They now have a dog, "python pete", looked like a beagle, that is sniffing out pythons in Florida.

While I'm sure everyone that visits this forum is a responsible pet owner, what pees me off is the pet stores that sell these cute little snakes without informing people that it will grow to be 25' 250 lbs in no time at all. Some of them even misinform the buyers by saying the snake will only grow as large as the cage you keep it in, etc. All this bad press is bad for all exotic pet owners.

I'm sure with all this bad press it will give the anti reptile legislatures momentum to come after all of us. I love pythons, and I'm sure my Balls and Jungles will probably get caught up in the same legislation.

The problem is, I don't have a solution. Do you think the sellers should be required to have information to be given to the buyers before they can purchase the animal. This info could include growth rates, maximum size, proper husbandry etc. Or do you think the buyers should be required to pass some kind of test, demonstrating adaquate knowledge of husbandry techniques.

After giving it some thought, maybe my thinking is being guided in the direction the media wants. The media loves sensationalism, and giant snakes terrorizing a whole state certainly qualifies. But that has to be an exaggeration, I'm sure the citizens of Florida are not terrorized. The media is certainly encouraging people to write laws controling/outlawing these snakes. Maybe what we need is a good herp spokesperson to put things in perspective, you know like, there are X million residents in Florida and only 8 have encountered pythons. And use the press opportunity to teach people about reptiles, herpers included, about how irresponsible it is to not keep them in escape proof cages, or to release them in the wild.

What do you think?

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1.1 Ball Python
1.1 Corn Snake
0.1 Gray band Kingsnake
0.1 Desert Kingsnake
0.1 Pueblan Milksnake
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0.0.8 hatchling ball pythons

Replies (23)

Carmichael Oct 13, 2005 09:45 PM

As much as I hate to say this, they probably should be banned in Florida and other areas where these animals can take hold. Until our screwed up hobby can get its act together, you can point the fingers at unscrupulous breeders, pet store owners and ignorant owners (and ignorance is NO excuse). Laws are going to get TIGHTER AND TIGHTER....can't say I blame them.

Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center

>>Pet Pythons Terrorize Florida
>>South Florida is being terrorized by hungry pet pythons on the loose. (October 13)
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>>The above is the headline cut and pasted from aol news, which is read by millions of people daily.
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>>They X-rayed that python and found what appeared to be a cat in it, showed the little girl that owned the cat. And also mentioned that in the last week or two that 5 other pythons in Florida have been run over by mowers. They also repeated the python/alligator story. They now have a dog, "python pete", looked like a beagle, that is sniffing out pythons in Florida.
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>>While I'm sure everyone that visits this forum is a responsible pet owner, what pees me off is the pet stores that sell these cute little snakes without informing people that it will grow to be 25' 250 lbs in no time at all. Some of them even misinform the buyers by saying the snake will only grow as large as the cage you keep it in, etc. All this bad press is bad for all exotic pet owners.
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>>I'm sure with all this bad press it will give the anti reptile legislatures momentum to come after all of us. I love pythons, and I'm sure my Balls and Jungles will probably get caught up in the same legislation.
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>>The problem is, I don't have a solution. Do you think the sellers should be required to have information to be given to the buyers before they can purchase the animal. This info could include growth rates, maximum size, proper husbandry etc. Or do you think the buyers should be required to pass some kind of test, demonstrating adaquate knowledge of husbandry techniques.
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>>After giving it some thought, maybe my thinking is being guided in the direction the media wants. The media loves sensationalism, and giant snakes terrorizing a whole state certainly qualifies. But that has to be an exaggeration, I'm sure the citizens of Florida are not terrorized. The media is certainly encouraging people to write laws controling/outlawing these snakes. Maybe what we need is a good herp spokesperson to put things in perspective, you know like, there are X million residents in Florida and only 8 have encountered pythons. And use the press opportunity to teach people about reptiles, herpers included, about how irresponsible it is to not keep them in escape proof cages, or to release them in the wild.
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>>What do you think?
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>>1.1 Jungle Carpet Python
>>1.1 Ball Python
>>1.1 Corn Snake
>>0.1 Gray band Kingsnake
>>0.1 Desert Kingsnake
>>0.1 Pueblan Milksnake
>>1.0 Bullsnake
>>1.0 Rhodesian Ridgeback (Hondo)
>>0.1 Spouse (WC)
>>0.0.8 hatchling ball pythons
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

Bighaze Oct 14, 2005 10:41 AM

You see that kind of thinking is whats going to make me move from my home state of 21 years. 13 years of that time I have had burms, tics, boa's all kinds of snakes. I have never had one get out, nor have I ever let one go. From what your saying, I should lose my right to keep them, just cause of some a holes that let there snakes go over 10-20 years ago, I don't think so.

It is not pets that have been let go, it is not pets that have gotten out of there cages, it is WILD ones!!!! it is the offspring of all the pets that were let lose in the 70-90's, and in the many storms we have. Stoping people from keeping these wonderful snakes will NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT, help the problem. And you should know that.

I would like to see them make it where you must have a permit, and have your set up looked at at least once a year buy a wildlife officer. It could give the state money to find a way to stop the ones in the wild, and keep burms out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them. Also making it a law that all pythons that can live in the wild down here get chips put in them, could help too.

There are a few thing they can/should do before putting an outright ban on them.

We as the responsiple keepers, need to find the way. We need to come up with the rules, and we need to make sure all the burms we breed/sell go to good homes, with adults that can and WILL care for them the right way. As for the petstores, maybe a law that would make them get the costumer to sign a papper, that had all the info need to keep a large snake, and had a part where the buyer would sign that they are aleast 18 years old.

These are just some ideas I thought of typing this out, and I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. So I know someone can come up with better ones.

Carmichael Oct 16, 2005 11:37 AM

You do have some good ideas but unfortunately, state agencies will not go for it because it costs too much in "man hours" despite a fee being assessed. Education is obviously the key but in Florida, you are facing a losing battle because for every responsible owner like yourself, there are probably dozens whose pet burms end up being in the newspaper; that's really sad. But, I do hope they get their act together and figure out a way to allow responsible keepers to continue their hobby. Rob

>>You see that kind of thinking is whats going to make me move from my home state of 21 years. 13 years of that time I have had burms, tics, boa's all kinds of snakes. I have never had one get out, nor have I ever let one go. From what your saying, I should lose my right to keep them, just cause of some a holes that let there snakes go over 10-20 years ago, I don't think so.
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>>It is not pets that have been let go, it is not pets that have gotten out of there cages, it is WILD ones!!!! it is the offspring of all the pets that were let lose in the 70-90's, and in the many storms we have. Stoping people from keeping these wonderful snakes will NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT, help the problem. And you should know that.
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>>I would like to see them make it where you must have a permit, and have your set up looked at at least once a year buy a wildlife officer. It could give the state money to find a way to stop the ones in the wild, and keep burms out of the hands of those that shouldn't have them. Also making it a law that all pythons that can live in the wild down here get chips put in them, could help too.
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>>There are a few thing they can/should do before putting an outright ban on them.
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>>We as the responsiple keepers, need to find the way. We need to come up with the rules, and we need to make sure all the burms we breed/sell go to good homes, with adults that can and WILL care for them the right way. As for the petstores, maybe a law that would make them get the costumer to sign a papper, that had all the info need to keep a large snake, and had a part where the buyer would sign that they are aleast 18 years old.
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>>These are just some ideas I thought of typing this out, and I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. So I know someone can come up with better ones.
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Rob Carmichael, Curator
The Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, IL

mci Oct 13, 2005 09:52 PM

25' and 250 in no time at all, eh? That must be some species I'm not familiar with.

At any rate, give it up. The media's going to do what the media's going to do to drive viewership. Nobody turns on the television to hear some boring reptile nerd talk about how rare python encounters are, any more than they tune in to hear people talk about how rare shark attacks are, or how much violent crime rates have fallen over the past 15 years.

jont52 Oct 13, 2005 10:20 PM

I think a spokesperson is a very good idea. If we establish an organization to associate them with. An organization of responsible reptile keepers would create a credible vehicle to spread our message. Press releases and information regarding the organizations start up would be picked up immediately by local media. Further releases and documents regarding responsible keeping and societal goings on could be published as well. We could even go so far as to publish detailed general husbandry guides for large contstrictors, which I am sure newspapers would put on the web or we could host them on our site.

I think its time for reptile owners to speak out and finally organize and not allow a few bad apples to ruin the bunch.

Whos with me?

Michael Tragash
mtragash@gmail.com
Ft. Lauderdale FL
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Jon

jont52 Oct 14, 2005 09:08 AM

In my post previously, I suggested we form a nationwide organizational network of responsible reptile keepers to give a credible face to the reptile community.

In the very recent past, I read an article in the Sun Sentinel, a south florida newspaper, stating the decline in local herpetological societies. They blamed this on the rise in the use of the internet. Members of the local herps society interviewed stated that individuals on these forums never meet each other and have no connection to each other personally.

I think we can all agree that these comments do have some merit, albeit very little. I see these comments and the recent events in FL, as an opportunity to merge the old ways of the local herp societies into a larger organization that would be seen as a credible authority on reptile husbandry and the hobby to the general public, the media, and the nation as a whole.

This could be accomplished in one of two ways: 1)We could create a new organization and have local chapters, regional chapters, underneath a national umbrella group or 2) We could create the umbrella organization under which all existing herp organizations could become members of.

This organization gives us the opportunity to create membership standards etc. furthering our mission to establish a nationwide network of responsible keepers. This can only be a positive thing for all of us in the hobby.

I know there is a captive care commission associated with FWC, and they are currently in discussion regarding current policies and possible changes. There is a credible individual from our community who sits on this board but I heard, but am not sure, that he represents the venomous side of the herp world. This however, is not a civilian organization and we must rely on someone else to put forth our ideas. This commission also relates directly to the legislative side of our hobby. I think there are things we can all do as a community to make a much greater impact.

I would really like to get this rolling and I have already gotten a few emails from some folks expressing interest. These are just my initial thoughts so if you are interested, please email me so we can begin to discuss. A credible organization would do our nationwide community a lot of good. I urge you all to forward me your thoughts.

Thanks,
Michael
mtragash@gmail.com
954-701-1044

P.S. This is not just for owners of large constrictors or venomous but rather for ALL REPTILE KEEPERS.
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Jon

goini04 Oct 14, 2005 01:37 PM

Reptiles are only a portion (A very large portion that is) of an overall exotic animal chain. My organization (see signature) is coming really close to being a legal and ready 501c4 organization. We cover ALL exotics. If you want to fight large organizations such as animal rights activists we all have to work together.

We are almost ready to make things open to the public, and I will put something in the classified shortly as well as a link to our website in my signature.

We need alot of members, so when we open the gates to the public I hope some of your are willing to take a look.

Best Wishes,

Chris
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Chris Law
U.A.P.P.E.A.L. (Uniting a Proactive Primate and Exotic Animal League)
Herpetoculture Element Representative

jont52 Oct 14, 2005 01:50 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me but I still think the herp world needs an org similar to this to unify the private collectors etc. I would be more than willing to head up a local membership initiative if I believe your organization is a worthy cause to devote my time to. IF you could email me some info about it Id like to read up.

In the meantime, herpers around should be thinking about banding together. Please email any thoguhts you have to me.

THanks,
Michael
mtragash@gmail.com
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Jon

mrcota Oct 14, 2005 09:27 AM

There is already an organization that deals with such issues: AFH (The American Federation of Herpetoculturists). For those of you that have been into reptiles for a while, they are the ones that formerly published The Vivarium. They have made up guidelines for the keeping of exotic reptiles, specifically large constrictors and monitor lizards. These guidelines have been used, in conjunction with a legislative handbook, to favorably influence municipal, county, and state legislation. The use of a well established and known organization would be much more useful than one that is just raised up with no recognition. The tools are out there. It is up to all of you to use them. For me, it is no longer an issue, I live where they are naturally native and am free to keep them.

jont52 Oct 14, 2005 11:34 AM

I am glad to hear that there is an organization in place that represents the people in this hobby for the captive propagation side, as the name herptoculturist implies.

I must still be a bit skeptical about this because in the last 3 or 4 years I have been immersed in this hobby, I have not heard anything about this organization or from this organization. Especially, in relation to media events etc. Also, your description of this does not make it seem as though they are the same type of organization I suggested.

What I suggested was an organization of independent private keepers who wish to brandish themselves as responsible members of society. In turn, with a viable membership, we provide a credible face for the media to turn to when an issue involving herps arises. This would help to limit immediate hysteria surrounding these incidents and an outlet for the herp community to speak to the public through.

With an organization as I described, we can use each Sensational media report as an opportunity to educate the public about herps and everything associated with our hobby. These educational opps would help minimize the stigma attached to snakes and herps in general. It would ultimately make this organization the expert opinion/authority on captive care. Obviously, we would need to show adequate experience but with those of us reading on these forums, that should not be a problem.

This response was not meant to discredit the AFH in any way at all, merely show the need for a civilian organization.

Thoughts,
Michael
mtragash@gmail.com
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Jon

mrcota Oct 14, 2005 10:32 PM

Before you became immersed in herpetoculture, this organization was able to do much more than it does currently. With its publication of The Vivarium, surely the best series and most serious of magazines on herpetoculture that has been printed in the English language, it had a more powerful voice that stretched across the US and addressed issues like the ones you currently have in Florida (Python molurus bivittatus/Varanus niloticus).

There still should be many big names in herpetocuture, herpetology and veterinarian medicine associated with the AFH: Phillipe de Vosjoli and Robert Sprackland PhD., just to name a couple from the top of my head. They deal mostly in the legislation and husbandry aspects, since the media is only going to report what they want.

As far as media events go, unfortunately, the American media is not interested in telling the truth; they are far more interested in sensationalizing everything: more entertainment = more viewers/readers = more money. A story that just tells things the way they are does not attract people’s attention, this means less people interested in the news, which results in fewer people, in turn less market share and then most importantly less revenue. The American media is not and never was meant to inform people about what is going on; it is about entertaining and making money.

In blasting the American media, I by no means think that many other news organizations are any better and other private news organizations are also only interested in making money, like the American model. State run media organizations also are not interested in informing people about the truth; they are interested in making their country look good. Viewing/reading the news anywhere is like reading history: you must read all the versions, take out all that does not belong, analyze it and you may come up with what really happened.

The bottom line is the people that properly care for their reptiles are not entertaining. It is only those poor examples of human beings (using the word loosely) who are irresponsible with their reptiles that will make the news. As long as these people acquire large constrictors and are irresponsible, the problems will grow. With the kind of organization that you want, you are talking about building from the ground up with names that have little or no recognition. Even if you are able to try to represent your case, it would only be paraphrased or edited to meet the needs of the media.

Give up? No! Unfortunately, the ones you have to reach are not the ones on these forums (at least they are looking for information) or the ones who are educated. They are the ignorant ones who do not care what you or anyone else has to say, but they are the ones that need to be reached and their attitudes changed before the public wants to ban all reptiles that even look dangerous.

Reptiles, specifically large reptiles have come a very long way in acceptance over the more than three decades I have kept them, but they will still provoke a fearful reaction from the general population far after both you and I are dead. Education is good, but fear that is ingrained socially and religiously throughout someone’s life is a most difficult thing to overcome.

Michael

mrcota Oct 14, 2005 11:49 PM

AFH Guidelines For The Keeping Of Large Constrictors

by American Federation of Herpetoculturists

This document is provided, free of charge, by the AFH. It can be freely distibuted in printed or electronic form, but must have all text intact and credit given to the AFH. The AFH has also developed guidelines for monitor lizards and keeping of large boid snakes in schools. These guidelines have been used, in conjunction with our legislative handbook, to favorably influence municipal, county, and state legislation. The AFH also publishes THE VIVARIUM (NO LONGER IN PRINT), the acclaimed journal on the captive breeding of amphibians and reptiles.

Introduction

The American Federation of Herpetoculturists (AFH) emphasizes responsible herpetoculture as the backbone of its position on the keeping of amphibians and reptiles. With regard to the ownership of large constrictors, an outline of the AFH views which has been approved by the AFH Board of Directors and presented at several hearings in Southern California is as follows: Responsible Large Constrictor Ownership

A. In consideration of the right of the general public not to be exposed unexpectedly to snakes such as large constrictors and in consideration of the irresponsible behavior of certain snake owners, the AFH recommends that snakes not be openly displayed in a public setting outside of proper and established forums for such practices such as herpetological shows, educational displays, pet stores and presentations, and other special displays whereby members of the public are forewarned that a snake(s) maybe displayed in the open.

B. The AFH recommends that all snakes be transported in a manner that precludes escape: In a sturdy cloth bag free of holes or tears which is then placed inside a box or similar container with holes for aeration. The box or container should then be sealed or locked shut. Another alternative is to double bag snakes. Care must be taken to use sturdy cloth bags with a weave that allows for adequate air flow. Airlines should be consulted as to their requirements when shipping snakes by air.

C. For the keeping of large constrictors 8 feet or more, the AFH recommends general caging regulations whose effects are similar to those which require dog owners to keep their pets within the confines of their property. Caging regulations for large snakes should require owners of such snakes to house them in secure cages with a hinged top, or doors, or a sliding glass front which include a locking mechanism. Such enclosures should preferably be contained in a large room modified to prevent snake escapes and with a door which shall be kept shut or locked when not occupied by the owners. This recommendation is made to require responsible herpetocultural practices by individuals in consideration for the animals, for family members and for members of the general public. As herpetoculturists we will all benefit by adopting these responsible practices.

D. When handling any of the giant snakes (Green anaconda, Indian and Burmese python, African rock python, reticulated python and amethystine python) over 8 feet, the AFH recommends that another individual be present or at the very least within calling reach. The probability of any serious problem occurring when handling such snakes is very remote but the AFH position is that herpetoculturists, out of responsibility to themselves, to family members and to other herpetoculturists, should handle and maintain large snakes in a manner that significantly prevents the likelihood of any accident or incident.

E. The AFH does not recommend the ownership of the above mentioned giant constrictors as well as other large (adult size over 7 feet) boid snakes by minors without parental consent to assume responsibility for proper housing, maintenance and supervision when handling.

F. The AFH recommends that safe procedures be adopted during handling and feeding. These would include the use of a snake hook prior to removing a large python or boa from an enclosure. When feeding, food should never be offered by hand.

G. As with any other animals such as dogs, owners of large constrictors should remember that they can be liable for the medical costs of treating injuries as well as additional financial damages for traumas or damage caused by their animals.

What About Regulations?

There appears to have been a trend in the last few years for cities or states to draft ordinances or regulations to control or restrict ownership of large snakes. Various agencies or organizations directly or indirectly support these regulations particularly with regards to the ownership of large constrictors (typically boas and pythons which can achieve an adult length of over 8 feet). They contend that the public should be protected from the remote possibility of danger from these animals. Most of these proposed regulations conceal the underlying persistent bias against snakes which to this day permeates the attitudes of many people against reptiles.

One would assume from these regulations that potentially dangerous things should not, as a matter of course be possessed by the general public. One could also be led to believe that these various agencies look out for our welfare. In fact, our lives are routinely affected by much greater probabilities of danger than presented by large constrictors that are condoned by numerous agencies as well as the federal government. Dogs raised and kept by irresponsible owners are clearly dangerous as plenty of statistical data indicates (10-15 deaths per year, millions of dollars spent in treating bites). Cats can be dangerous. They can claw (many people don't seem to mind). They also account for a significant percentage of reported animal bites and can carry some nasty diseases. Living near other human beings can be very dangerous. In fact, based on available statistics, a human being has a far greater chance of being seriously injured from a bite by a fellow human than by a large constrictor.

The cars we drive are potentially dangerous as several thousand deaths every year indicate. So is ownership of guns. Horses, if one were to look at available data in the U.S., are one of the most dangerous of domestic animals and many times more dangerous than snakes in terms of deaths and accidents. The electrical appliances in your house are dangerous as is the use of natural gas. So is drinking alcohol and smoking.

In the midst of such numerous potential dangers which are an intrinsic part of life, poorly informed and biased state and local agencies regularly propose laws and ordinances which would attempt to ban ownership of large constrictors. If one relied on hard data rather than prejudice, one could make a much better case for banning ownership of dogs, horses, guns, automobiles etc.

In the case of Burmese pythons, what becomes evident is that they have an extremely low behavioral propensity to kill humans by constriction. In one report which investigated authenticated deaths by large constrictors in the U.S . between 1978 and 1988 (4 deaths were reported of which three were caused by reticulated pythons), one incident involved a Burmese python. Furthermore, at least three of the cases involved irresponsible herpetocultural practices. Considering the many large constrictors, including tens of thousands of Burmese pythons which have been imported and sold during that period, and considering the much more threatening dangers which are generally accepted as a normal part of every day life, the potential danger presented by large constrictors pales.

With a minimum of common sense and by adopting the recommendations made by herpetological organizations such as the AFH, any problems associated with the ownership of large snakes can be addressed in a responsible manner without perpetuating bias and misinformation and without threatening the rights of herpetoculturists to practice their avocation.

In Conclusion

Before purchasing a Burmese python or any other large constrictor, check your state, county and local regulations for any provisions applying to the ownership of reptiles by individuals. Besides contacting the agencies in charge of implementing these regulations, other good sources of information are local herpetological societies. It does not pay to break the law in this particular area. Before you know it, you could be making newspaper headlines on the 6 o'clock news. If local authorities call in the state or federal enforcement agencies (State Fish and Game and U.S. Fish and Wildlife) to investigate the possibility of other violations, you could also have an experience of personal violation that you are not about to forget. In some areas, possible possession of an illegal reptile can get more media attention than a major drug bust.

These Guidelines have been approved by the American Federation of Herpetoculturist's (AFH) Board of Directors as the official Guidelines for the keeping of Large Constrictors. Additional copies of these guidelines are available by writing the AFH, P.O. Box 300067, Escondido, CA 92030-0067.

mci Oct 15, 2005 05:43 PM

The AFH is, or at least was, exactly what you're describing. You haven't heard of them because they seem to have gone into hibernation lately. Certainly they aren't active at the level they could be.

There is/was another organization out of Chicago called the National Herpetological Alliance that does lobbying work. I'm less familiar with them.

Whether you want to form a new group or not is up to you, but take a look at what AFH has done. It's better to use that as a starting point than to duplicate effort.

jont52 Oct 16, 2005 01:56 AM

I couldnt agree more with your thoughts. It just seems that their hibernation has lessened their credibility and it is time for a new face. I think using their work as a starting point is a great idea.

Can you direct me to where I can find their work?

Michael
mtragash@gmail.com

Antegy Oct 14, 2005 07:49 AM

I think registration could be a good first step to setting things on a better course.

If we are willing to admit (as I certainly am) that a Burmese python can grow to be a potentially dangerous animal, then we should treat it with the same regard that we treat other potentially dangerous things we keep.

For example, we register our dogs, we register our guns, we register our cars - all of these things are potentially dangerous. We even register OURSELVES (via state identification cards, SS #'s, driver's license, etc.).

I think that if any person who wants to keep and/or sell a Burmese python (or any potentially dangerous animal for that matter) is required to register the animal it could help to cut down on the number of 'bad owners' and 'pythons gone wild' if the registration process included clear guidelines and requirements for the ownership of said animals. It would also help to track down 'bad owners' in the event of any unfortunate mishaps. And for that I would be very happy (I can't stand people who give this 'hobby' a bad name).

Of course, I would want to be sure to take part as much as possible in the writing of such guidelines and requirements because I don't think it would be a good idea to leave it to a bunch of uninformed, inexperienced politicians to do so.

Am I making any sense, or is it still too early in the morning for me to realize otherwise!

Thanks for reading,
- Mark
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ginebig Oct 14, 2005 08:10 AM

LOL Mark, you're actually making good sense. I wouldn't be opposed to regestering my herps, potentially dangerous or not, as long as the fee for doing so wasn't to extreme Although I'm not real sure how effective it would be in controling the right from wrong. Some people just don't care, and there are those in almost every aspect of our lives. LOL, not sure THAT made sense. Need more caffiene

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bps516 Oct 14, 2005 09:05 AM

Unless I am mistaken they already have a certification and registration program in effect for venomous reptiles in Florida (though I may be wrong). You know that there will be some person that comes along and will say that all things can be inherently dangerous; animals, chainsaws and other power tools, wifes, girlfriends (especially if you have the last two at the same time).

But lets continue to be realistic for a minute. There are snakes that do pose more risk than others. If done correctly registration can be very effective. Training programs (if required) also have success in most areas. Its not a matter of big brother wanting to know everything that you are doing (they already know... and I have satellite pictures proving it But if it can be an affective deterent that keeps people from dumping their 15ft formally love pet into the closest clump of trees when it gets to big, is there really a logical reason not to have a registration?

I think personally that it should go a step further (as with cars for example) and microchip the animals and cross reference them with the person's registration. Again I know some people will think big brother, but lets get realistic here, are you doing something to your herps that you don't want other people to know about? If you are, you have other issues that we just can not handle here and you might want to talk to "people that can help you"!
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1-1-0 Rats... no wait... ROTTEN Little Cats - Ra, Bastet
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1-0-0 Horse... whoops... BIG Golden Retriever - Jake
0-1-0 Wife
2-0-0 Kids

jont52 Oct 14, 2005 09:20 AM

First, see the new post I added to my first above.

Second, registration is not a bad idea and the microchip is also a great idea. I must however agree with the person who said that the fee must remain reasonable. All are great ideas but these ideas need to come from a credible source and the suggestions clearly thought through and that requires organized discussion.

Someone spoke about training courses, also a great idea but who will give them? If we organized, we could issue proper care docs and conduct these classes ourselves on a voluntary basis or perhaps look towards a government grant. I cant stress this enough, as an organized community, we are more credible. Right now it is in our hands to insure the future of our hobby through incredibly impactful strides towards improving general public knowledge, knowledge of appropriate husbandry practices, and even push forth as a small lobbyist group for legislation if we see the need.

Please consider what I am saying and email me any thoughts. I really think this is best way for us to make a tremendous impact on the way our community is viewed. Lets organize!!!

Michael
mtragash@gmail.com
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Jon

mci Oct 15, 2005 05:31 PM

*** If done correctly registration can be very effective. ***

The problem is, that's a very big "if" when the government is involved.

Think of all the places that set out to ban potentially dangerous reptiles. Many of them didn't stop there. There are cities that have banned all boas and pythons or even "all constricting snakes," which would even include cornsnakes.

Be very careful when you start proposing more government involvement in the hobby. Most people, including legislators, are not rational when it comes to reptiles.

I can very easily see a state or municipality passing an ordinance that says all boas and pythons must be registered at an annual fee of maybe $50. That would be OK for me, but what about the guy who has 50 of them in his basement. He'd have a $2500 bill to pay every year.

jont52 Oct 15, 2005 07:00 PM

You understand my fears with the FWC captive care commission precisely. That is why I have suggested a civilian lobby group of responsible keepers. I know there are people out there who have many many large snakes or many snakes in general, myself included, and I would not be ok with a system like that.

In my suggestions, it has been my goal to limit the amount of legislation that could arise from this and with a large organization of individuals behind it we could def have our voices heard.

PErsonally, I think microchipping is the way to do it correctly, like a dog license etc. But in general I am opposed to more legislation.

Check out the general python forum for more info. There seems to be some productive discussion in there.

MIcahel
mtragash@gmail.com
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Jon

kthulhu Oct 14, 2005 10:42 AM

I agree with you about pet stores. I think pet stores should share a great deal of the burden for florida's "python problem". I posted this in the general python forum, but i feel like pet stores shouldnt be alowed to sell any five "giant" boids. I'd like to believe if someone was forced to go on the internet to search for burms or retic breeders, they would also find information about the size and care requirments of thses that they might not get in a pet store. This would hopefully cut down on the number of impulse buys that probably result in people releasing thier pet python into the wild.

I think registration is a good start, but i cant help being a little cynical. How many guns involved in violent crimes or how many pitbulls used in dog fights are properly registered. I know that any responsible keeper would most likely have no problem registering their herps, but i have a bad feeling anyone stupid enough to release a burmese python, or any other non-native animal into the wild, might circumvent the registration laws anyway. Sorry, i know thats a very pessimistic way of looking at things.

Perhaps having pet stores and breeders place microchips in their animals might be the best solution. That way its not up to the keeper, like i said, the kind of person who would release a snake into the wild might not take the time to put a chip in the snake. This way, they would buy the snake with a chip already in it, and if the snake is released or escapes and is eventually recaptured, it can be traced to its owner and their can be conscenquences. This might deter people from releasing their snakes.

Oct 15, 2005 05:59 PM

Dear Burm-philes; Please excuse the 'all-pythons-all-the-time' grouping of all of the press in this submission (its not all burm specific ... plus a boa item snuck in, pls forgive me), I'm off elsewhere on assignment using somebody elses's mini-laptop, NATO's oldest dial-up link, and no Space, Shift or Crtl keys. If somebody could do the kindness of posting this to the general 'python' forum on my behalf (I can't remember their URL), I'd take it as a personal favour.
respects
Wes

MANCHESTER EVENING NEWS (UK) 14 October 05 Snake loose - check your loo!
Yakub Qureshi)
A six-feet long boa constrictor is on the loose in an upmarket Manchester suburb - and residents have been warned to watch their toilet seats.
The alarm was raised after the snake was spotted in an apartment on Clyde Road, West Didsbury.
A 19-year-old man went to the bathroom and spotted the constrictor curled up inside the bowl of the toilet.
He ran from the room and into the garden to find a concrete block which he placed on the toilet seat to stop the snake from escaping.
RSPCA officials and firefighters were called to the apartment block and used a fibre optic camera to check the drains and plumbing.
But there was no sign of the snake and experts now believe it has entered the sewage system on the street where semi-detached homes go on the market for up to £400,000.
Property agent David Fitzgerald, from landlords KF Property, said: "It was 2am and the resident was obviously quite sleepy so I think he was quite surprised to see the snake there looking back at him.
"He raced down to the garden and got a concrete block which he used to cover the toilet seat and I think he quite forgot about going to the toilet."
Tenant Mr Fitzgerald said it was still not certain where the snake had come from but a previous tenant had kept a boa constrictor in his room. "All we know is that we had a tenant in the property who did have a snake and who left a couple of months ago.
"The building has been thoroughly checked out. It's not in the house anymore but I don't think people will be feeling too comfortable."
There are some 100 properties on the street, many of which have been converted into flats.
The RSPCA said there was nothing they could do until the creature was spotted again.
Animal collection officer Donna Holt said: "The camera has done what it can to check the system and it's a question of waiting now.
"We would advise people to keep their toilet lids down and check before using the bathroom."
She stressed that the snake's species had not been confirmed but that any creature should not be approached.
The boa constrictor hails from South America and in the wild eats rodents and small birds and can grow up to five metres (16 feet) long.
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/177/177875_snake_loose__check_your_loo.html

FREE LANCE-STAR (Fredericksburg, ) 14 October 05 Snake attacks are shady
Snakes alive!
It was only a matter of time before the obesity epidemic spread to the greater animal kingdom.
Sure enough, officials in the Everglades reported last week that a 13-foot Burmese python literally exploded while dining on a 6-foot alligator.
Officials suspect the alligator's resistance to the idea of becoming the reptilian equivalent of a Biggie Meal led to the snake's demise.
Evidence suggests the gator went down the hatch with claws flailing, rupturing the snake's stomach along the way.
In an effort to "make more room," as my Aunt Elaine likes to say, the snake presumably unzipped his pants, only to have the entire lower half of the gator come tumbling out.
By the time a wildlife researcher wandered across the scene, the hind end of the alligator was protruding from the snake's midsection like something out of a Japanese sci-fi movie.
Both diner and dinner perished in the incident.
The lesson here is obvious: Chew your food completely before swallowing.
And also, don't bite off more than you can subdue.
Think about it. That'd be like a man attempting to down a 3-foot cheeseburger while it was still snarling and snapping.
You just wouldn't do it. Unless it was on a double-dog dare. Then you're sort of obligated.
But I digress.
Originally, I took this for an isolated incident, one that unfortunately only encourages Hollywood types to spend actual currency producing the likes of "Anaconda."
Then, a few days later, a South Florida woman discovered a 12-foot Burmese python in her back yard, complete with bulging waist line.
The bulge is presumed to be Frances, the woman's 1-year-old Siamese cat, according to news reports.
Fire-rescue officers captured the snake immediately and carted it off to a nature preserve, fearing that with only 15 pounds of Thai food in its belly, it might get hungry again in about 30 minutes.
And then on Tuesday, another large python was captured after helping itself to a turkey in a Miami man's backyard.
One incident is simply a rarity, but three make for a clear and convincing pattern.
I suspect this is an all-out assault on humanity, the likes of which hasn't been seen since dingoes declared open season on babies in the '80s.
No longer satisfied with the rodent food pyramid, Burmese pythons are striking out in search of more substantial fare.
First, it's alligators, poultry and household pets. Next, God willing, it's Geraldo Rivera.
Suspicious behavior on the part of the snakes' home country indicates a conspiracy.
First, Burma unleashes its snakes on suburbia. Next, it changes its name to Myanmar in a clever attempt to cover its tracks.
Be not fooled.
Stupidity also seems to be fueling what is becoming a worldwide threat.
Police in Tokyo rounded up a search party after a python got loose in a city park there last month.
The owner, a 41-year-old man, said he was playing with the snake in the park when he dozed off--as in fell asleep .
When he woke up, he was apparently shocked to discover that the sit-stay he'd given the python hadn't worked and the snake was gone.
Police were optimistic about finding the snake but immediately called off the search for the man's common sense, declaring it a monumental waste of time.
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/102005/10142005/136920

PALM BEACH POST () 14 October 05 Commentary: Big python chart would be helpful for keeping track of snake stories (Frank Cerabino)
In case you haven't noticed, we're experiencing a run of snake stories.
This sort of thing happens occasionally, usually with shark attacks, airline runway mishaps or Jackson family misadventures.
A new peril materializes from thin air and then becomes a mini-epidemic of concern until it culminates in a front page story in Newsweek or Time, and then promptly disappears.
We're in a python cycle.
It started with that photo last month from the Everglades, the one showing what appeared to be a battle of mutual destruction between a 6-foot alligator and a 13-foot Burmese python. The photo, beamed around the world, shows the carcass of the snake, apparently ruptured while trying to digest the alligator, which is protruding from the snake's body.
Since then, it has been snakes galore.
Drama, doubt from Miami to West Palm
This week, we've already learned about a Miami Gardens woman who said her Siamese cat was the bulge inside the body of a Burmese python trapped behind her home. That was followed by another python story from Miami later in the week, this one involving a snake eating a turkey at a nursery. Meanwhile, closer to home, local trappers were getting their share of new python sightings.
Bud Howell, who works for Trapper John Rodent & Animal Specialists in Boca Raton, answered a call from Tropic Bay, a Delray Beach condo that complained of an albino Burmese python living near the community swimming pool and dining on the area's feral cats.
"I saw the den," Howell said, "and I would say it's been there for a year."
He got the call, he said, when somebody saw the snake sunning itself by the pool.
"We're going to try to lure it out of its den with rabbit urine," he said.
Meanwhile, Allyn Szejko, a trapper for Wild Life Rescue of South Florida in Boca Raton, is waiting for a call from a Deerfield Beach condo that notified her about a python sighting.
"I'm not going out there until they find it again," she said.
Ron Dupont, the owner of Wild Cargo in West Palm Beach, has been selling and handling snakes for most of his life. He has some doubts about the authenticity of the famous photo that started the new snake buzz.
"Alligators don't smell right to a python," he said.
But he thinks there's a real reason why we might continue to see more snake stories in the near future.
"We've had a tremendous amount of low pressure and rain," he said. "Low barometric pressure makes snakes move. And the water makes them happy and romantic.
"It's the same with people," he said. "It's why we sing in the shower. It's the water falling. It creates negative ions. We crave negative ions."
'The problem is they keep getting bigger'
And we crave a good snake story. Bob Freeman, who owns Grizzly's Wild Animals, a trapping service in West Palm Beach, has done his share of snake trapping. So far, he has been spared from the new python craze.
"I used to own one," he said. "You think they'd make a good pet because you don't have to walk them every day, but the problem is they keep getting bigger.
"It starts out eating a mouse, then a rat, then a cat, a chicken, and pretty soon you've got to feed it the neighbor's dog," he joked.
How much longer will snake stories continue? Hard to say.
It's too late in the year for sharks, and we've exhausted the Jacksons.
We may just have to hang on until the dry season when those negative ions disappear.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/local_news/epaper/2005/10/14/s1b_bino_1014.html

PETERBOROUGH EVENING TELEGRAPH (UK) 14 October 05 Python strikes terror
A pet snake sparked a 999 drama when it attacked one of its owners.
The man's terrified family, who wished to remain anonymous, called firefighters after the 13ft long Burmese python escaped from its tank and lunged at him, sinking its razor sharp fangs into his leg.
His wife managed to free him by prising the snake's jaw open before firefighters arrived at the home in Eastrea Road, Whittlesey.
The creature had slithered out of its tank and on to the landing of the house during the night, biting the man as he investigated the cries of his frightened lodger.
He suffered bad cuts and bleeding, but the python is not poisonous and he did not need hospital treatment.
His wife said the incident, which happened on Wednesday, had left the family feeling shaken and they had decided to hand the snake over to a rescue centre.
The snake, which can travel at up to 35mph and kills its prey in the wild by squeezing it to death, will now be re-homed.
The woman, an experienced snake owner, said the creature had doubled in size since she started caring for it two years ago, and she had recently ordered a larger tank for it, but she no longer felt it was safe to keep it.
She said: "She was always a very gentle, docile thing and had been used for entertaining by its previous owners.
"She did bite me once before, but that was my fault for putting my hand in the tank when it had been eating.
"I feel very scared of it now. It was a completely unprovoked attack – it just flew at him. It was horrible.
"It could have been much worse if it had been my little grandson walking across the landing, so I think it's better to get rid of her."
The attack happened on the same day that another Burmese python was discovered in the back garden of Trudy Dukes, in Ravensthorpe, Peterborough.
Mrs Dukes, an experienced snake handler, spotted the 4ft python in her garden, picked it up and put it in a rabbit hutch until the RSPCA arrived.
The two incidents were completely unrelated.
Chris Nice, RSPCA Inspector for Cambridgeshire, today said Burmese pythons can be very dangerous.
He said: "These snakes are only a couple of inches long where they first hatch, but they can grow to up to 20ft and are extremely powerful.
"There have been cases in America where young children have been killed by Burmese pythons and small pets are certainly at risk from them."
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=845&ArticleID=1222552

ORLANDO SENTINEL (Florida) 13 October 05 Another python bites off a bit more than it can chew
Miami (AP): Once again, a python was done in by its dinner.
After one python exploded while trying to eat an alligator, and another was blamed for the disappearance of a Siamese cat, a 10-foot African rock python was apparently trapped by the turkey it ate at a Miami nursery. It couldn't slither back through a fence to digest the bird in peace.
Dozens of turkeys and chickens live at the nursery, and owner Felix Azquz noticed one turkey was missing early Monday.
Then Azquz, 77, saw the bulging snake.
"It scared me," Azquz said. "I ran outside to call the police."
Capt. Al Cruz of the Miami-Dade Fire Rescue antivenin unit said a similar 16-foot-long snake was found in the same area three years ago, before a new housing development was built.
The snake was taken to a Miami-Dade County nature center, but Cruz said it will be moved to a zoo because of its aggression.
"It launches at everything that tries to come near it," Cruz said.
Last month, a 13-foot python exploded as it tried to swallow a 6-foot American alligator in Everglades National Park. Neither animal survived.
On Sunday, a bulging 12-foot Burmese python was captured near the backyard of a Miami Gardens home. A snake expert said the python had eaten the homeowner's year-old Siamese cat named Frances.
"The moral of the story," Cruz said, is that pythons "are eating more than they can chew."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-python1305oct13,0,5740913.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state

THE LEDGER (Lakeland, Florida) 12 October 05 Pet Snakes Gone Wild A Problem in Polk, Too (Shelley Preston)
`Python. Call to Identify," a recent ad in the Ledger classified read. Seven feet long and as thick as an adult's thigh, the "python" was actually a boa constrictor found by John Cory in a drainage ditch along Mine and Mill Road in Lakeland. The well-fed creature likely dined on rats, raccoons and perhaps cats or small dogs.
Pulled from its dank lair, the snake now resides inside a 60 gallon tank -- its screened lid locked in place by four stacks of cement bricks -- at the home of Cory's girlfriend, Mary Beck, along with a gaggle of their own pet snakes, at least until they find a proper home for the new boa.
The constrictor was probably someone's pet before it was let loose or escaped. Based on its size, Cory estimates it ate like crazy for about six months in its new Polk County habitat. Today, it is still too wild to remove from the tank and is adjusting to captivity and to eating a few less meals.
On a recent rainy afternoon, Beck peered at the new visitor as it coiled over its water dish and moved to the other side of the tank.
"When snakes are little, people think they are so cute and have to have one," she said, reaching into another tank and removing one of her friendly ball pythons. She explained this snake was rescued from the Auburndale flea market, where it was covered in mites and had skin rot. Now smooth and cool to the touch, the snake poked out its tongue and curled around her arm, stretching out its head to check out a visitor. "But when they get larger, they say, `now what?' and let them go."
Abandoned snakes landed in the news recently when a 13-foot-long Burmese python in the Everglades tried to eat a 6-foot-long alligator, a chilling prospect given most humans are smaller than that. The snake, which bit off more than it could chew, literally burst in the middle when the gator tried to escape from its belly. Both reptiles perished. Wildlife officials once thought alligators could be a predator to unwanted exotic snakes, but as this case proved, even a tooth-laden alligator can be out-matched by a hungry snake.
Boas and ball pythons don't pose much risk to humans and do stop growing at some point, but they are part of a larger problem of exotic reptiles that have been released into the wild and are wreaking havoc on indigenous plants and animals, as well as threatening pets.
"I know of a couple of instances of snakes getting over the fence and taking out the neighbors' dogs or cats. It's not an unusual occurrence," says Dr. Bob Irelan, a North Lakeland veterinarian who takes care of Beck's snakes.
Though owners may feel they are doing snakes a favor by giving them a taste of freedom, the majority of reptiles released in Polk County are unable to adapt to the outdoors and die of cold or starvation.
Bringing out a black-and-white California king snake found in a garage, Beck said "she was all bones. She was so domesticated she didn't know how to eat on her own." The now healthy snake curled its tail inside Beck's hand as its lower half explored the living room carpet.
Many exotic snakes likely go undetected, but the Polk County Sheriff's Office is called out once or twice a month to deal with one. Glenn Ferrell, a sergeant of administrative investigations, handles those calls.
"Before someone buys an exotic animal, they have to know what the potential is to grow 20 feet long," said Ferrell, a friend of reptiles for more than 20 years.
Some pet snakes, such as Burmese pythons, have the ability to grow to monstrous proportions if left to their own devices or fed too much in captivity. Responsible owners feed them just enough to keep the snake healthy, and they know how to manage their pet's size, said Ferrell.
"It makes me nervous to read headlines about that python in the Everglades," he said with a sigh. Besides taking in abandoned snakes around the county, Ferrell raises his own exotic reptiles and shows them around the state. "It puts a black eye on the industry when people are irresponsible."
Ferrell advises snake lovers without much space buy a ball python, which only grows to about 4 feet long and can be kept in a 20 gallon tank, rather than species that grow indefinitely and need special cages. Corn snakes also make good pets.
Snakes are not the only reptiles that need a lot of thought before purchasing. Iguanas can grow to 4 to 5 feet long and need large enclosures. Ferrell suggests getting a bearded dragon instead, because they are content inside smaller tanks.
Exotic lizards proliferating in the wild have also been a nuisance in Southwest Florida in recent years. Aggressive and carnivorous, Nile monitor lizards grow more than 5 feet long and threaten native birds on Sanibel Island.
"The only natural predator these things have are Nile crocodiles," said Ferrell, "and there aren't any of those around here," said Ferrell.
At least, not yet.
As for the homeless boa at Beck's home, if no one steps up to claim the snake, it will probably go to a zoo or a private breeder where it will have the room it needs, Beck said.
Beck looked back at the huge snake and felt sorry for it. "When these guys grow up, things change," she said. "It's not the snake's fault."
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051012/NEWS/510120303/0/FRONTPAGE

phflame Oct 16, 2005 03:06 PM

>>Dear Burm-philes; Please excuse the 'all-pythons-all-the-time' grouping of all of the press in this submission (its not all burm specific ... plus a boa item snuck in, pls forgive me), I'm off elsewhere on assignment using somebody elses's mini-laptop, NATO's oldest dial-up link, and no Space, Shift or Crtl keys. If somebody could do the kindness of posting this to the general 'python' forum on my behalf (I can't remember their URL), I'd take it as a personal favour.
>>respects
>>Wes
>>
>>MANCHESTER EVENING NEWS (UK) 14 October 05 Snake loose - check your loo!
>>Yakub Qureshi)
>>A six-feet long boa constrictor is on the loose in an upmarket Manchester suburb - and residents have been warned to watch their toilet seats.
>>The alarm was raised after the snake was spotted in an apartment on Clyde Road, West Didsbury.
>>A 19-year-old man went to the bathroom and spotted the constrictor curled up inside the bowl of the toilet.
>> He ran from the room and into the garden to find a concrete block which he placed on the toilet seat to stop the snake from escaping.
>>RSPCA officials and firefighters were called to the apartment block and used a fibre optic camera to check the drains and plumbing.
>>But there was no sign of the snake and experts now believe it has entered the sewage system on the street where semi-detached homes go on the market for up to £400,000.
>>Property agent David Fitzgerald, from landlords KF Property, said: "It was 2am and the resident was obviously quite sleepy so I think he was quite surprised to see the snake there looking back at him.
>>"He raced down to the garden and got a concrete block which he used to cover the toilet seat and I think he quite forgot about going to the toilet."
>>Tenant Mr Fitzgerald said it was still not certain where the snake had come from but a previous tenant had kept a boa constrictor in his room. "All we know is that we had a tenant in the property who did have a snake and who left a couple of months ago.
>>"The building has been thoroughly checked out. It's not in the house anymore but I don't think people will be feeling too comfortable."
>>There are some 100 properties on the street, many of which have been converted into flats.
>>The RSPCA said there was nothing they could do until the creature was spotted again.
>>Animal collection officer Donna Holt said: "The camera has done what it can to check the system and it's a question of waiting now.
>>"We would advise people to keep their toilet lids down and check before using the bathroom."
>>She stressed that the snake's species had not been confirmed but that any creature should not be approached.
>>The boa constrictor hails from South America and in the wild eats rodents and small birds and can grow up to five metres (16 feet) long.
>> http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/177/177875_snake_loose__check_your_loo.html
>>
>>FREE LANCE-STAR (Fredericksburg, ) 14 October 05 Snake attacks are shady
>> Snakes alive!
>>It was only a matter of time before the obesity epidemic spread to the greater animal kingdom.
>>Sure enough, officials in the Everglades reported last week that a 13-foot Burmese python literally exploded while dining on a 6-foot alligator.
>>Officials suspect the alligator's resistance to the idea of becoming the reptilian equivalent of a Biggie Meal led to the snake's demise.
>>Evidence suggests the gator went down the hatch with claws flailing, rupturing the snake's stomach along the way.
>>In an effort to "make more room," as my Aunt Elaine likes to say, the snake presumably unzipped his pants, only to have the entire lower half of the gator come tumbling out.
>>By the time a wildlife researcher wandered across the scene, the hind end of the alligator was protruding from the snake's midsection like something out of a Japanese sci-fi movie.
>>Both diner and dinner perished in the incident.
>>The lesson here is obvious: Chew your food completely before swallowing.
>>And also, don't bite off more than you can subdue.
>>Think about it. That'd be like a man attempting to down a 3-foot cheeseburger while it was still snarling and snapping.
>>You just wouldn't do it. Unless it was on a double-dog dare. Then you're sort of obligated.
>>But I digress.
>>Originally, I took this for an isolated incident, one that unfortunately only encourages Hollywood types to spend actual currency producing the likes of "Anaconda."
>>Then, a few days later, a South Florida woman discovered a 12-foot Burmese python in her back yard, complete with bulging waist line.
>>The bulge is presumed to be Frances, the woman's 1-year-old Siamese cat, according to news reports.
>>Fire-rescue officers captured the snake immediately and carted it off to a nature preserve, fearing that with only 15 pounds of Thai food in its belly, it might get hungry again in about 30 minutes.
>>And then on Tuesday, another large python was captured after helping itself to a turkey in a Miami man's backyard.
>>One incident is simply a rarity, but three make for a clear and convincing pattern.
>>I suspect this is an all-out assault on humanity, the likes of which hasn't been seen since dingoes declared open season on babies in the '80s.
>>No longer satisfied with the rodent food pyramid, Burmese pythons are striking out in search of more substantial fare.
>>First, it's alligators, poultry and household pets. Next, God willing, it's Geraldo Rivera.
>>Suspicious behavior on the part of the snakes' home country indicates a conspiracy.
>>First, Burma unleashes its snakes on suburbia. Next, it changes its name to Myanmar in a clever attempt to cover its tracks.
>>Be not fooled.
>>Stupidity also seems to be fueling what is becoming a worldwide threat.
>>Police in Tokyo rounded up a search party after a python got loose in a city park there last month.
>>The owner, a 41-year-old man, said he was playing with the snake in the park when he dozed off--as in fell asleep .
>>When he woke up, he was apparently shocked to discover that the sit-stay he'd given the python hadn't worked and the snake was gone.
>>Police were optimistic about finding the snake but immediately called off the search for the man's common sense, declaring it a monumental waste of time.
>> http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2005/102005/10142005/136920
>>
>>PALM BEACH POST () 14 October 05 Commentary: Big python chart would be helpful for keeping track of snake stories (Frank Cerabino)
>>In case you haven't noticed, we're experiencing a run of snake stories.
>>This sort of thing happens occasionally, usually with shark attacks, airline runway mishaps or Jackson family misadventures.
>>A new peril materializes from thin air and then becomes a mini-epidemic of concern until it culminates in a front page story in Newsweek or Time, and then promptly disappears.
>>We're in a python cycle.
>>It started with that photo last month from the Everglades, the one showing what appeared to be a battle of mutual destruction between a 6-foot alligator and a 13-foot Burmese python. The photo, beamed around the world, shows the carcass of the snake, apparently ruptured while trying to digest the alligator, which is protruding from the snake's body.
>>Since then, it has been snakes galore.
>>Drama, doubt from Miami to West Palm
>>This week, we've already learned about a Miami Gardens woman who said her Siamese cat was the bulge inside the body of a Burmese python trapped behind her home. That was followed by another python story from Miami later in the week, this one involving a snake eating a turkey at a nursery. Meanwhile, closer to home, local trappers were getting their share of new python sightings.
>>Bud Howell, who works for Trapper John Rodent & Animal Specialists in Boca Raton, answered a call from Tropic Bay, a Delray Beach condo that complained of an albino Burmese python living near the community swimming pool and dining on the area's feral cats.
>>"I saw the den," Howell said, "and I would say it's been there for a year."
>>He got the call, he said, when somebody saw the snake sunning itself by the pool.
>>"We're going to try to lure it out of its den with rabbit urine," he said.
>>Meanwhile, Allyn Szejko, a trapper for Wild Life Rescue of South Florida in Boca Raton, is waiting for a call from a Deerfield Beach condo that notified her about a python sighting.
>>"I'm not going out there until they find it again," she said.
>>Ron Dupont, the owner of Wild Cargo in West Palm Beach, has been selling and handling snakes for most of his life. He has some doubts about the authenticity of the famous photo that started the new snake buzz.
>>"Alligators don't smell right to a python," he said.
>>But he thinks there's a real reason why we might continue to see more snake stories in the near future.
>>"We've had a tremendous amount of low pressure and rain," he said. "Low barometric pressure makes snakes move. And the water makes them happy and romantic.
>>"It's the same with people," he said. "It's why we sing in the shower. It's the water falling. It creates negative ions. We crave negative ions."
>>'The problem is they keep getting bigger'
>>And we crave a good snake story. Bob Freeman, who owns Grizzly's Wild Animals, a trapping service in West Palm Beach, has done his share of snake trapping. So far, he has been spared from the new python craze.
>>"I used to own one," he said. "You think they'd make a good pet because you don't have to walk them every day, but the problem is they keep getting bigger.
>>"It starts out eating a mouse, then a rat, then a cat, a chicken, and pretty soon you've got to feed it the neighbor's dog," he joked.
>>How much longer will snake stories continue? Hard to say.
>> It's too late in the year for sharks, and we've exhausted the Jacksons.
>>We may just have to hang on until the dry season when those negative ions disappear.
>> http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/local_news/epaper/2005/10/14/s1b_bino_1014.html
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>>PETERBOROUGH EVENING TELEGRAPH (UK) 14 October 05 Python strikes terror
>>A pet snake sparked a 999 drama when it attacked one of its owners.
>>The man's terrified family, who wished to remain anonymous, called firefighters after the 13ft long Burmese python escaped from its tank and lunged at him, sinking its razor sharp fangs into his leg.
>>His wife managed to free him by prising the snake's jaw open before firefighters arrived at the home in Eastrea Road, Whittlesey.
>>The creature had slithered out of its tank and on to the landing of the house during the night, biting the man as he investigated the cries of his frightened lodger.
>>He suffered bad cuts and bleeding, but the python is not poisonous and he did not need hospital treatment.
>>His wife said the incident, which happened on Wednesday, had left the family feeling shaken and they had decided to hand the snake over to a rescue centre.
>>The snake, which can travel at up to 35mph and kills its prey in the wild by squeezing it to death, will now be re-homed.
>>The woman, an experienced snake owner, said the creature had doubled in size since she started caring for it two years ago, and she had recently ordered a larger tank for it, but she no longer felt it was safe to keep it.
>>She said: "She was always a very gentle, docile thing and had been used for entertaining by its previous owners.
>>"She did bite me once before, but that was my fault for putting my hand in the tank when it had been eating.
>>"I feel very scared of it now. It was a completely unprovoked attack – it just flew at him. It was horrible.
>>"It could have been much worse if it had been my little grandson walking across the landing, so I think it's better to get rid of her."
>>The attack happened on the same day that another Burmese python was discovered in the back garden of Trudy Dukes, in Ravensthorpe, Peterborough.
>>Mrs Dukes, an experienced snake handler, spotted the 4ft python in her garden, picked it up and put it in a rabbit hutch until the RSPCA arrived.
>>The two incidents were completely unrelated.
>>Chris Nice, RSPCA Inspector for Cambridgeshire, today said Burmese pythons can be very dangerous.
>>He said: "These snakes are only a couple of inches long where they first hatch, but they can grow to up to 20ft and are extremely powerful.
>>"There have been cases in America where young children have been killed by Burmese pythons and small pets are certainly at risk from them."
>> http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=845&ArticleID=1222552
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>>ORLANDO SENTINEL (Florida) 13 October 05 Another python bites off a bit more than it can chew
>>Miami (AP): Once again, a python was done in by its dinner.
>>After one python exploded while trying to eat an alligator, and another was blamed for the disappearance of a Siamese cat, a 10-foot African rock python was apparently trapped by the turkey it ate at a Miami nursery. It couldn't slither back through a fence to digest the bird in peace.
>>Dozens of turkeys and chickens live at the nursery, and owner Felix Azquz noticed one turkey was missing early Monday.
>>Then Azquz, 77, saw the bulging snake.
>>"It scared me," Azquz said. "I ran outside to call the police."
>>Capt. Al Cruz of the Miami-Dade Fire Rescue antivenin unit said a similar 16-foot-long snake was found in the same area three years ago, before a new housing development was built.
>>The snake was taken to a Miami-Dade County nature center, but Cruz said it will be moved to a zoo because of its aggression.
>>"It launches at everything that tries to come near it," Cruz said.
>>Last month, a 13-foot python exploded as it tried to swallow a 6-foot American alligator in Everglades National Park. Neither animal survived.
>>On Sunday, a bulging 12-foot Burmese python was captured near the backyard of a Miami Gardens home. A snake expert said the python had eaten the homeowner's year-old Siamese cat named Frances.
>>"The moral of the story," Cruz said, is that pythons "are eating more than they can chew."
>>http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-python1305oct13,0,5740913.story?coll=orl-news-headlines-state
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>>THE LEDGER (Lakeland, Florida) 12 October 05 Pet Snakes Gone Wild A Problem in Polk, Too (Shelley Preston)
>>`Python. Call to Identify," a recent ad in the Ledger classified read. Seven feet long and as thick as an adult's thigh, the "python" was actually a boa constrictor found by John Cory in a drainage ditch along Mine and Mill Road in Lakeland. The well-fed creature likely dined on rats, raccoons and perhaps cats or small dogs.
>> Pulled from its dank lair, the snake now resides inside a 60 gallon tank -- its screened lid locked in place by four stacks of cement bricks -- at the home of Cory's girlfriend, Mary Beck, along with a gaggle of their own pet snakes, at least until they find a proper home for the new boa.
>>The constrictor was probably someone's pet before it was let loose or escaped. Based on its size, Cory estimates it ate like crazy for about six months in its new Polk County habitat. Today, it is still too wild to remove from the tank and is adjusting to captivity and to eating a few less meals.
>>On a recent rainy afternoon, Beck peered at the new visitor as it coiled over its water dish and moved to the other side of the tank.
>>"When snakes are little, people think they are so cute and have to have one," she said, reaching into another tank and removing one of her friendly ball pythons. She explained this snake was rescued from the Auburndale flea market, where it was covered in mites and had skin rot. Now smooth and cool to the touch, the snake poked out its tongue and curled around her arm, stretching out its head to check out a visitor. "But when they get larger, they say, `now what?' and let them go."
>>Abandoned snakes landed in the news recently when a 13-foot-long Burmese python in the Everglades tried to eat a 6-foot-long alligator, a chilling prospect given most humans are smaller than that. The snake, which bit off more than it could chew, literally burst in the middle when the gator tried to escape from its belly. Both reptiles perished. Wildlife officials once thought alligators could be a predator to unwanted exotic snakes, but as this case proved, even a tooth-laden alligator can be out-matched by a hungry snake.
>>Boas and ball pythons don't pose much risk to humans and do stop growing at some point, but they are part of a larger problem of exotic reptiles that have been released into the wild and are wreaking havoc on indigenous plants and animals, as well as threatening pets.
>>"I know of a couple of instances of snakes getting over the fence and taking out the neighbors' dogs or cats. It's not an unusual occurrence," says Dr. Bob Irelan, a North Lakeland veterinarian who takes care of Beck's snakes.
>>Though owners may feel they are doing snakes a favor by giving them a taste of freedom, the majority of reptiles released in Polk County are unable to adapt to the outdoors and die of cold or starvation.
>>Bringing out a black-and-white California king snake found in a garage, Beck said "she was all bones. She was so domesticated she didn't know how to eat on her own." The now healthy snake curled its tail inside Beck's hand as its lower half explored the living room carpet.
>>Many exotic snakes likely go undetected, but the Polk County Sheriff's Office is called out once or twice a month to deal with one. Glenn Ferrell, a sergeant of administrative investigations, handles those calls.
>>"Before someone buys an exotic animal, they have to know what the potential is to grow 20 feet long," said Ferrell, a friend of reptiles for more than 20 years.
>>Some pet snakes, such as Burmese pythons, have the ability to grow to monstrous proportions if left to their own devices or fed too much in captivity. Responsible owners feed them just enough to keep the snake healthy, and they know how to manage their pet's size, said Ferrell.
>>"It makes me nervous to read headlines about that python in the Everglades," he said with a sigh. Besides taking in abandoned snakes around the county, Ferrell raises his own exotic reptiles and shows them around the state. "It puts a black eye on the industry when people are irresponsible."
>>Ferrell advises snake lovers without much space buy a ball python, which only grows to about 4 feet long and can be kept in a 20 gallon tank, rather than species that grow indefinitely and need special cages. Corn snakes also make good pets.
>>Snakes are not the only reptiles that need a lot of thought before purchasing. Iguanas can grow to 4 to 5 feet long and need large enclosures. Ferrell suggests getting a bearded dragon instead, because they are content inside smaller tanks.
>>Exotic lizards proliferating in the wild have also been a nuisance in Southwest Florida in recent years. Aggressive and carnivorous, Nile monitor lizards grow more than 5 feet long and threaten native birds on Sanibel Island.
>>"The only natural predator these things have are Nile crocodiles," said Ferrell, "and there aren't any of those around here," said Ferrell.
>>At least, not yet.
>>As for the homeless boa at Beck's home, if no one steps up to claim the snake, it will probably go to a zoo or a private breeder where it will have the room it needs, Beck said.
>>Beck looked back at the huge snake and felt sorry for it. "When these guys grow up, things change," she said. "It's not the snake's fault."
>> http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051012/NEWS/510120303/0/FRONTPAGE
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