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Hello all,
I just purchased 2 Blazing Blizzards. I was planning to breed them to produce more Blazing Blizzards...
But it turns out, One is Tremper and the other is Bell strain.
So I guess I won't be having more blazing blizzards from them soon huh....
My question is, Does anybody knows what are the differences between the Tremper, Bell, even Rainwater strain of Blazing Blizzards?
I realized my Tremper BB have all clean red eyes, but the Bell BB has red with some white pigment eyes.
I'll try to post some pictures of their eyes later...
Thank You,
AL

The difference is clear. Each are a unique strain of albinism... Just curious, what did you pay for the Bell?

I mean, is there any obvious Physical differences on Blazing Blizzards from those various albino strains?

I paid $130 for the bell blazing blizzard. Is that a good price for it?
Do you know what are decent prices for tremper, bell, rainwater blazing blizzards? Do they priced differently?
Thank you!

That's a good price for the Bell. The Tremper should've been a bit less. It's really too bad that the Blazing Blizzard market dropped so fast. Anyways, Bell BB generally have the nice red eyes and Trempers are lighter almost a silvery pink. I haven't personally seen a Rainwater BB, but they're similar to Tremper BB. Look forward to Eclipse and Mack Super Snow Blazing Blizzards. I should have hatchlings by Spring next year. Can't wait!

I was only aware of one breeder who has produced these, and I would expect them to go for a lot more than $130. The Bells produce blazing blizzards, which I've seen called Bell line blazing blizzards, but these blazings are in fact Tremper blazings produced by the Bells (I picked up a couple of these from the Bells myself).

I suspect that you actually have a Tremper blazing produced by the Bells.

-Alice

Hi Alice,
I got the Bell Blazing Blizzard from LLLReptile.
Well yeah, at first I thought it was a Tremper Blazing Blizzard, because I know tremper is the most common one. Then I asked LLLreptile (Scott Wesley), and He said that their Blazing Blizzards were Bell strain. So... I don't know...

I don't get it when you said you got Tremper blazing produced by Bells.. How is that possible? I really don't understand...
Is there any obvious physical trait that can differentiate Tremper BB from Bell BB?

I mean, I'm pretty new with leopards, so I'm not an expert to tell what kind of morph is a leo just by looking at it. But from genetics point of view, if you breed Bell to Bell it should produced Bells too right? The same with any other Albinism strain...

Is it common for Blizzards and Blazing Blizzards to have Solid colored eyes?

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>>I don't get it when you said you got Tremper blazing produced by Bells.. How is that possible? I really don't understand...
>>Is there any obvious physical trait that can differentiate Tremper BB from Bell BB?
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bell is a breeder as well as a albino leo morph bell was the first to bred bell albino.
Tremper is a breeder as well as a albino leo morph tremper was the first to breed tremper albino.
So if bell own a pair of tremper blazing blizzards and breed them they are tremper blazing blizzard produced by bell .If some can put it a better way please do .

They are two differant lines.

tremper blaz'bliz x tremper blaz'bliz = tremper blaz'bliz

bell blaz'bliz x bell'bliz = bell blaz'bliz

tremper blaz'bliz x bell blaz'bliz = normal blizzard het
tremper & bell albino.I think that right anyway you won't get blazing blizzard that i do know.Same basic rule also gose for rainwater's(Las Vagas)albinos
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>>Is it common for Blizzards and Blazing Blizzards to have Solid colored eyes?
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I would't say common but yes is becomeing a more common sight.

I said those prices because I saw Mark and Kim Bell at NRABC with Blazings for a $100 a piece. I just figured they were Bell Blazing Blizzards.

Mark and Kim Bell are the couple for whom the Bell albinos are named. They also work with other strains of albino such as Tremper. To the best of my knowledge they have yet to produce a Bell Blazing. All of their Blazings are Trempers. But, because they produced them, they are often called Bell Blazings despite the fact that they are actually Trempers. This leads to a great deal of confusion. I bought two Blazings from the Bells at the NARBC show in Anaheim and they are Trempers. I suspect that LLL bought some Tremper blazings wholesale from the Bells and made the same assumption that you did (maybe you could email LLL and see if they can clarify this). Kelli H of HISS is the only one I know of to date who has produced a true Bell Blazing. It is common for Blazings to exhibit the same aberrent eye pigmentation seen in regular blizzards. I'm not sure of any good means of telling a Bell Blazing from a Tremper Blazing short of test breeding. The light eye coupled with a dark pattern helps distinguish many Bell albinos, but light phase Trempers also have light eyes, and since blizzards don't have a pattern it would be difficult. If your blazing blizzard had dark red eyes or brownish eyes you can be fairly certain it's a Tremper since Rainwater blazings are still not widely available. But, if your blazing has light red / pink eyes you still can't rule out Tremper.

-Alice

Aaaaaaa now I get it...
I'll clarify this with lllreptile. I hope they know...
Thanks for the information Alice.
Do you think you could identify if I post some pictures of the eyes of my BB?
I realy can't tell.. yea like you said, the only way to really know is to breed them... Hmmmmm now I'm very curious...

I'm about 99.99999999999% sure you've got a Tremper I've attached a pic of the eye from a typical Bell albino, but light Trempers can have eyes of a similar color. It would be great if you could get eye shots of your bazings.

-Alice

Hi Alice, Wow yours is such a great picture! love that veining in the eye!...
I tried so many times to get a good picture of my blazing blizzard eyes, but he kept closing his eyes...
After a while he opened his eyes.. Yipeee! but the pictures was too dark so I have to brighten it up..
I don't know if you can tell or not from the picture, hope it's clear enough...
Let me know
You can just email me at firereptiles@gmail.com if it's more convenient.
Thanks,
AL

The first has eyes just like my tremper blazings. The second is lighter, but still looks darker than the bell eyes I've seen, so I'd say tremper on that one too. I got really lucky with that bell eye shot, I've taken tons of pics of my bells and that's the only decent eye shot I've ever got.

-Alice

Them eyes look sort of (snake eye - parshall eclipes) to me ?.

What is a definition of Snake Eyes really? I thought Snake Eyes has to be Half solid color, Half pigmented eye.
But when I see Ron Tremper's website (leopardgecko.com), He's selling, what it seems to me, not really a Half & Half eyes as a Snake-Eyes.

Here's the link.
http://www.leopardgecko.com/aptor-raptor.html

Look at the Gecko #047 RED PHASE SNAKE EYE R.A.P.T.O.R.

The top picture of the blazzing look very closely it is half & half.Picture two the eye is aberrant but on tremper site one of his aptor eyes are like that yet he still called it a snake eye.

>>The top picture of the blazzing look very closely it is half & half.Picture two the eye is aberrant but on tremper site one of his aptor eyes are like that yet he still called it a snake eye.

-Sigh-

It is not a Bell Blazing Blizzard, nor is the previous photo representing a snake eye.

There are only a select handful of breeders working towards creating this morph currently and ONE has been hatched in captivity to date. If a Bell Blazing was sold, it would command literally thousands in todays market.

As for the possible snake eye, snake eyes have poped up in tremper blazing line animals, but the photo does not look to be a snake eyed animal to me, only a diolated eye photograph.

Good Luck
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What is "Diolated" mean? I don't get it...

And what is the Standard for Snake-Eyes? I'm not saying mine is a snake-eyes, But it's really confusing.
Again, In Ron Tremper's website here:
http://www.leopardgecko.com/aptor-raptor.html

At the near Top of the page he was explaining about Snake-Eyes and have a picture of a Snake-Eye that is PERFECTLY half and half.
And yet, he's selling #047 as a Snake-Eyes. In my opinion it's a totally different kind of Eye from the 1st pic (the representation of a Snake-Eyes).

Hey firereptiles can you get a good close up of you blazing blizzards eyes.try takeing the picture out side on a sunny day don't use the fash then they won't keep closeing there eyes.Coz i do think that the top blaz'blizzard has half & half eye (one half just red the other half still has the vanes) what the other side like ?.

Aberrant eye pigmentation is common in blizzards. It also seems to be fairly common in albino blizzards. This pigmentation looks just like that seen on Tremper's snake eyes, but I don't think that anyone has figured out the genetics behind it in blizzards. The majority of the blizzards I hatch out have it to some degree, but I've never had it pop up in any of the blizzard hets I've produced.

-Alice

>>I mean, is there any obvious Physical differences on Blazing Blizzards from those various albino strains?
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>>I paid $130 for the bell blazing blizzard. Is that a good price for it?
>>Do you know what are decent prices for tremper, bell, rainwater blazing blizzards? Do they priced differently?
>>Thank you!

A Bell Blazing Blizzard? I think not.....

you did not purchase a bell blazing blizzard considering there has only been one produced thusfar..... And if one WAS offered for sale you can certainly bet it would be a $1000 animal.

Needless to say, whoever sold you a "bell blazzing blizzard" lied to you......
LeoMorphs.com

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Top Shelf Exotics
LEOMORPHS.COM!
cjohnson@topshelfexotic.com

Ive been working with blazings for the past three years but still........... that does not give me enough credibility to deem your gecko a bell blazing or a tremper blazing. It is possible that you have a bell blazing. Likely??.... no, but still....... the only way you would find out is through breeding it with bells. It's not even worth asking anyone. Fact is..... it is impossible to be 100% sure whether a albino is tremper, bell, or rainwater just by looking at them. Plus your dealing with a double morph and the blizzard part only gives you the eyes to distinguish one morph from the other. Just breed them. If you have a bell, youre in luck. Consider it a deal of a lifetime.
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At the end of the day just breed them you can't go wrong .

If

(tremper blaz x tremper blaz = tremper blaz)that good is't it ?.

And if your the owner of a bell then.

(tremper blaz x bell blaz = blizzard het tremper & bell)it's a result all round.