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herping thailand/SE asia?

sc_shark Oct 15, 2005 01:53 PM

Has anyone here going herping in Thailand or Southeast Asia? Can anyone recommend good books, websites, or share their own experiences?

This December I will be in Thailand for about 12 days. About half of the time I will be scuba diving in the Andaman sea looking for sharks, manta rays, and sea snakes, but I'd like to spend a couple days hiking and looking for herps to photograph as well. I will be based out of Khao Lak in the Phang-Nga province on the Andaman coast near Phuket. Supposedly in the area where I will be, there is a coastal national park with 125 sq. miles of land, much of it mangrove habitat. I would love to find one of those black and yellow mangrove snakes or some water monitors! Or maybe a reticulated python!

Naturally I want to learn all the dangerous species in my area so I know which snakes to steer clear of. I will be travelling solo so I can't afford a cobra bite. I already know there are king cobras in the mountains (although I seriously doubt I will run across one of these bad boys), and a variety of other vipers and cobras live in the country. Russell's vipers? Common cobras?

The other thing I am thinking about is the season. In southern Thailand, it is pretty much warm year round, but I will be visiting in the dry season. When I studied tropical ecology in northeastern Australia, I quickly learned that the herping is not nearly as good in the cooler (but still warm) dry season as it is during the steaming hot wet season. So I'm wondering how much success I might have in Thailand during December and how I should focus my efforts.

Thanks,
Andy Gottscho

Replies (4)

chrish Oct 17, 2005 12:54 PM

Has anyone here going herping in Thailand or Southeast Asia? Can anyone recommend good books, websites, or share their own experiences?

There is a photographic guide to the reptiles of SE Asia that might be helpful. It is pretty cheap and available from Amazon.com.

I'd like to spend a couple days hiking and looking for herps to photograph as well....Supposedly in the area where I will be, there is a coastal national park with 125 sq. miles of land, much of it mangrove habitat. I would love to find one of those black and yellow mangrove snakes or some water monitors! Or maybe a reticulated python!

Most of my experience herping in SEA has been in Indonesia, primarily east Kalimantan. My experience has been that herping is tough in SE Asia due to habitat destruction and harvesting of snakes for food and skin.
Mangroves are pretty good herping because they are hard to hunt for food/skins. I found mangroves pretty snakey, but hard to herp. In the water you might find Achrocordus (by snorkeling) and the trees have Dryophis and potentially Boiga (I never found Boiga myself). Cerberus rhynchops was pretty common in the mangroves in Bali.

Water monitors are really abundant in and around mangroves in Indonesia. I don't know about Thailand, but if they are anywhere near as common, they will be hard to miss.

I already know there are king cobras in the mountains (although I seriously doubt I will run across one of these bad boys), and a variety of other vipers and cobras live in the country. Russell's vipers? Common cobras?

I think King Cobras don't do very well in areas with a lot of people, but I don't know what your chances are of finding them. As for common cobras, they are pretty common snakes that tolerate human disruption well, but they are so widely eaten in Thailand that they might be hard to find.
Apparently, some of the Trimersurus vipers are pretty common. You might check among the mangrove tangles for them.

Other of the more common taxa are Treesnakes (Dryophis) and Bronzebacks (Dendrelaphis). I have found them by looking carefully in clumps of vines.

Try hunting around padi fields if there are any there. They are really snakey areas (as well as having water monitors). I found that road hunting/walking in padis at night was a good way to find things like kraits and Xenopeltis.

The other thing I am thinking about is the season. In southern Thailand, it is pretty much warm year round, but I will be visiting in the dry season. When I studied tropical ecology in northeastern Australia, I quickly learned that the herping is not nearly as good in the cooler (but still warm) dry season as it is during the steaming hot wet season. So I'm wondering how much success I might have in Thailand during December and how I should focus my efforts.

I have heard people say they prefer the dry season, not because animals are most active, but because the relatively open understory makes snakes easier to find and they tend to be concentrated around water sources.

Also, go into this with reasonable expectations. The old adage of 1 snake per day in tropical forests applies - if you find an average of a snake per day, you are doing good. Seasnakes can be easier to find, particularly at night.
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Chris Harrison
Central Texas

sc_shark Oct 18, 2005 03:45 PM

Awesome, thanks for the excellent advice! I'm hoping that hunting for meat and skins won't be too prevalent in the national parks (I'm assuming it's illegal, but of course that won't stop poachers). I'm unfamiliar with most of the genus names you spit out but I'll do my research before I go. I'll try to bring back some pics of water monitors, and maybe even catch one if I'm lucky!

Also, are most of the venemous species either kraits, cobras, or vipers? Are most of them easy to differentiate from non-venemous species? I'm guessing that there a bunch of krait mimics out there. I've heard there are coral snakes as well... *sigh* guess I have a lot of memorizing to do. I just hope I find some pythons or some other obviously non-venemous species.

Thanks again!

Andy Gottscho

chrish Oct 18, 2005 05:11 PM

Also, are most of the venemous species either kraits, cobras, or vipers?

Yes, but some of the Kraits don't look like the banded yellow and black things you are used to.
There are also several types of asiatic Coralsnakes. They look nothing like New World coralsnakes, so you will need to learn them as well.

The Reptiles of SE Asia book I suggested is less than $17. It would be wise of you to buy it.
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Chris Harrison
Central Texas

WW Oct 19, 2005 11:26 AM

>>Has anyone here going herping in Thailand or Southeast Asia? Can anyone recommend good books, websites, or share their own experiences?
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>>This December I will be in Thailand for about 12 days. About half of the time I will be scuba diving in the Andaman sea looking for sharks, manta rays, and sea snakes, but I'd like to spend a couple days hiking and looking for herps to photograph as well. I will be based out of Khao Lak in the Phang-Nga province on the Andaman coast near Phuket. Supposedly in the area where I will be, there is a coastal national park with 125 sq. miles of land, much of it mangrove habitat. I would love to find one of those black and yellow mangrove snakes or some water monitors! Or maybe a reticulated python!

Get someone to drive you around the mangroves in a small boat, day or night.

Dog-faced water snakes (Cerberus) certainly do come out at night on mud flats and can be very common. You MIGHT see mangrove snakes, mangrove pitvipers (Trimeresurus purpuremaculatus) and monitors.

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>>Naturally I want to learn all the dangerous species in my area so I know which snakes to steer clear of. I will be travelling solo so I can't afford a cobra bite. I already know there are king cobras in the mountains (although I seriously doubt I will run across one of these bad boys), and a variety of other vipers and cobras live in the country. Russell's vipers? Common cobras?

Naja kaouthia (monocled cobra) is still common in parts of southern Thailand. Russell's viper is not found that far south, but you get Calloselasma rhodostoma, several green pitvipers as well as possibly Wagler's and mangrove pitvipers, and kraits. Regarding banded krait mimics, if the snake is small, it may be a mimic, if it is large (3 ft or more), then it is almost certainly a krait. Red-headed kraits and the similarly patterned long-glanded coral snakes are also found there. As Chris H said, buy the book.

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>>The other thing I am thinking about is the season. In southern Thailand, it is pretty much warm year round, but I will be visiting in the dry season. When I studied tropical ecology in northeastern Australia, I quickly learned that the herping is not nearly as good in the cooler (but still warm) dry season as it is during the steaming hot wet season. So I'm wondering how much success I might have in Thailand during December and how I should focus my efforts.

Mangroves should be a good bet irrespective of season. Otherwise, the dry season is tough. Night driving through back roads can be productive if you can find some reasonably intact habitats. Padi fields are only good if they have not been hunted out - in many parts of Thailand, they have been, and since there are only limited places of shelter in them, the snake catchers can clean them out with remarkable efficiency.

Good luck!

Cheers,

WW

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>>Thanks,
>>Andy Gottscho
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