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As promised, here are the pics of the Jalisco I got last Sunday. Note the yellow I mentioned instead of the white. The yellow is even a bit deeper than in these pics (the flash washed it out a little).

Everybody agree this is a Jalisco? That's how it was labeled at the show.

Thanks,

Walt

P.S. See the Grey Banded King Snake pics on that forum...

Really good looking snake youve got there
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.2 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

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Mexican Milk

By the photos I would have to say that it's a Mexican milk (annulata). Jalisco's (arcirera) have a different look to them, much like a California Mt. King (zonata). I could be wrong but you nevew know unless you bought it from a reputable breeder.

Wayne Sanders

I can't make a definate determination from those pictures either. I agree with the poster above about reputable breeders and it could possibly look like those two other species.

I can say from my experience for the 5 years I've kept many different species of kingsnakes and cornsnakes. The Jalisco milksnake I have is the only milksnake in my collection. I got this Jalisco as a baby and a major difference I noticed in behavior, in my little experience, was the Jalisco milksnake was much more flighty at a young age than any other corns or kings I've kept. The Jalisco has calmed down some, but occasionally even now when startled with become flighty. I've handled other friends milksnakes (hondos) in their collections and noticed some of same tendencies of milksnakes to be more flighty while handling and quicker moving than most corns and kings. However, I do know every snake has their own personality and temperment, so my reasoning could easily be proven false.
Either way it's a great looking snake and if it's a Jalisco like mine, they get more beautiful and brilliant with each shed as they grow.
Happy Herping,
Uncloudy

Its kind of hard to say from the pic but if forced to "guess" I'd say arcifiera. Annulatta is generally a more stocky animal while arcifera have a leaner look to them.

Its all speculative though. The thing is to key the snake out before you make your determination. Getting information on the line is nice but its only so good. Often lines go way back and you almost always end up simply making a subjective judgement based on what you or those you talk to think of another breeders charactor!

I Googled it and didn't get any hits.

If it's a Mexican, that's fine, I just want to know. Is Jalisco a kind of Mexican, or a whole separate Class/Family?

Mine looks a lot like the bottom pic on this link, only with the yellow of the pic on the above right...

Walt
Mexican Milks

I'm gonna keep searching online for pics.

If anybody else has pics of Jalisco's or Mexicans, please post in response. Especially if it has yellow/gold instead of white.

THANKS ALL!!!!

Walt

I offered him his first meal in his deli cup, closed the lid and watched for quite a while and he wasn't interested. Seemed more interested in keeping still.

So, I put the whole deli cup (lid off) in his habitat. He eventually came out and hid. I turned the lights off in the room and came back to check on my kids and the pinkie was gone. He was in his hide with a bulge. Yea!!!

Now if we can only get the Grey Banded to eat. (her pics are below)...

Also, people mentioned about this type being flighty. Mine is VERY flighty, but hasn't tried to bite me once. I try to keep a firm (not tight) grip on his tail or middle, so he doesn't feel insecure. That seems to help. Of course, now I can't handle him until he digests.

Walt

(Here are the Grey Banded pics)...

Here are the pics again. The yellow is much deeper than in these pics. Any chance it's an Apricot Pueblan? I'm not sure of the head shape, though...

Walt

His head markings and general appearance look like this pic of a Sinoloan (except yellow/gold instead of white).

Walt

Here's another pic I found on the Web.

Gosh, it seems like it could be one of any number of milk snakes!

I could really use an expert to ID.

Walt

Hello,
Sinaloans have much wider red bands, and Nelsons have fairly wide red bands and black bands that are a few times wider than the white. Pueblans have a wide white band on the back of the head, straighter boundaries between bands. Mexican (annulata) sounds like a good guess to me. Nice looking milksnake, regardless of the subspecies!

Nate
Lampropeltis

If he's a Mexican, he'll only get 3 ft or less and if he's a Jalisco, he should be larger, right?

Walt

n/t

ask for pictures of the parents?

n/t

Looks like a Mexican to me.