Can anyone tell me when Elaphe became Pantherophis? I need other information such as who was the initial person to start this process,etc. Any info related to this would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Info on Pantherophis
rick d
Oct 20, 2005 06:24 PM
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Elaphefan
Oct 20, 2005 08:09 PM
That info has been posted before on this forum. Here is the link.
Link
KJUN
Oct 21, 2005 10:08 AM
>>That info has been posted before on this forum. Here is the link.
>>Link
Ahhh, the degeneration of science where things are now getting accepted without verification..... ...and I thought taxonomy was as low as it could already go.....lol.
The split has been a long time coming, though, and likely a necessary one if you agree that taxonomy should reflect monophyletic groups.
KJ
rick d
Oct 21, 2005 08:05 PM
What would be the correct name now for a gray ratsnake? Pantherophis obsoleta spiloides or is it something else?
Thanks
Elaphefan
Oct 21, 2005 11:25 PM
Pantherophis obsoletus spiloides
You were close.
phiber_optikx
Oct 22, 2005 12:43 AM
Just curious, is it true that gray rats make poor captives? I have heard they are agressive and poor eaters. Love their colors though!
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Steve_Craig
Oct 22, 2005 08:50 AM
Not true at all. Grey Rats are outstanding feeders, and most captive bred spiloides make excellent, docile captives. Of course wild caught in any species can be a handfull. Many grey's are very beautiful snakes, especially a good white-oak phase.
Steve
Just curious, is it true that gray rats make poor captives? I have heard they are agressive and poor eaters. Love their colors though!
Elaphefan
Oct 22, 2005 11:39 AM
I agree with most of what Steve said with an exception to his use of the word "most." I have yet ot see a member of P. obsoletus that I didn't think was handsome. LOL
I keep all five types of obsoletus and I even have a Gulf Hammock as a bonus to the collection, and none of mine are poor eaters, and all of them are fairly tame. Some are more tame then others, but all of them are easy to manage. I don't think you can go wrong getting a CB obsoletus from a reputable dealer. I also think that with as many good breeders as there are out there now, that there is any need to take one from the wild.
Foreman
Oct 22, 2005 04:58 PM
>>I agree with most of what Steve said with an exception to his use of the word "most." I have yet ot see a member of P. obsoletus that I didn't think was handsome. LOL
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>>I keep all five types of obsoletus and I even have a Gulf Hammock as a bonus to the collection, and none of mine are poor eaters, and all of them are fairly tame. Some are more tame then others, but all of them are easy to manage. I don't think you can go wrong getting a CB obsoletus from a reputable dealer. I also think that with as many good breeders as there are out there now, that there is any need to take one from the wild.
Agreed. Gray rats are great feeders and just as docile as most other obsy. I have one and he is no problem at all.
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