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This is a question for the guys that breed the transluncents.
You often see that some of those dragons are only partial translucent.
Some only have a couple of transparent patches, some are 100% translucent en some in between that.

My question is about those partial tranluscents.
Are they likely to pass on the translucence in their offspring the same as the 100% translucents do?
I mean, if you for example put two partial translucents together, will the chance of having 100% translucents in the clutch the same as breeding 2 100% translucents together?

Should i stick with the most translucent dragons i can find or is the translucence in the clutches not effected by breeding partial translucents?

I already have a translucent male and het female and i can get my hands on a second male but this one is partial, so that's why i'm asking.

thanks,
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Do your partial trans have the blue eyes? Are the bodies trans and the eyes normal? I have been breeding trans for the last five years, and found that nothing is ever consistant. It is almost like the pied ball pythons. You can take two ugly partial trans, and produce beautiful super trans with blue eyes. Over the years, I have found that some trans hatch with trans bodies, and normal eyes, and after a few months, I see that one of the eyes has changed blue overnight. Shortly after, the other one turns blue. I breed trans by using different hets. Sometimes out of a clutch, I see some that are not trans at all, but have blue eyes. Some are super trans where you can see their organs, but the eyes are not blue. Others show a slight sign of being trans, but thats about it. Also, very rarely do I get one that has just one blue eye. Also, the more white the dragon lacks, especially if it is a colored dragon, the more intense the color underneath is. Some of these dragons look almost neon, because they have no white to wash out the color. I hope this helps out with your question.

~~~ Also, very rarely do I get one that has just one blue eye. Also, the more white the dragon lacks, especially if it is a colored dragon, the more intense the color underneath is. Some of these dragons look almost neon, because they have no white to wash out the color. I hope this helps out with your question.~~~~

In my opinion this ads to the theory this morph is a variable form of T positive albinism. Josh, do you see the color intensity your talking about moreso in the red coloration than the other colors as far as it showing more intensly than the others do when the "super", as you call it, form is present?

This is why I never understood the theory of breeding white hypomelanistic dragons into the translucents. All I ever seen were white dragons. The chance of producing a completely clear dragon would be slim to none and the hypomelanistic gene that produces whiter dragons, drops the color (most generally)so you are left with a dragon that lacks most color if not all, is white, with a few translucent markings if any (and of course the variables of the two genes.)..... It would make more sense to breed in the hypo-pastel lines that were more color retentive and try to hit on a dropped white with higher color. I feel like a completely colorless translucent would never survive or thrive properly if it did survive, anyway.

Just something to chew on... Any feedback would be great.

Later gang,
Robert Wood
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To answer the question about the color intensity. I have produced yellow, orange, and red trans. All the color seems to be equally intense. I think it also has to do with how intense the colored parents are. Of course some reds are more red than others etc. None of the trans seem to be completely colorless. There is some sort of hue underneath. I have also raised some supertrans outside in the direct sunlight. The color gets a little more intense, and you can really see the blue eye after a month or two. These animals have grown up with little or no problems. Also, when you breed the hypo/pastel and trans together, and eventually produce a hypotrans, they seem to be a variety of different shades. Some have a pink tint, others green, yellow, or a pale blue. I have hatched trans that are dark, dark purple from the start. They have no white whatsoever. Because they are so dark, I probably wouldn't put them in the sun because they cant reflect the sunlight off their bodies. As they get bigger, they look more like a blue dragon, similar to a Nosey Be panther cham. Josh

Wow. Thanks for the info, Josh. Sounds like a fun morph to work with. I was studying genetic traits awhile back and the only thing I could find on irridiphore dysfunction was that the irridiphores controlled the greens and another color but it slips my mind and I don't have the info handy anymore... Do you know anything about the removal of the white as far as what's going on with it? Just curious as to why the white seems to be dropping in these guys. I can't find anything on what controllls the white coloration in reptiles period. Thanks for the reply!

Later,
Robert Wood
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I really don't know what causes the removal of white. If you have any info, please let me know. I have only seen this trait in Veiled Chameleons, and the result is very similar.There is just too much unexplained things that happen when breeding reptiles. Thanks, Josh

Blue is the other color that is affected by irridiphores. Really cool that it changes as they mature...the appearance of the trait that is. Somewhat like a clown ball python and the leusistics with blue eyes.... the "hets" are a codominate trait all their own, they even chamge a bit in appearance as they mature, but breed them together and get blue eyed lucys. Maybe this is the beginning for true leucistic beardies? hmm... definately interesting. Thanks for the info from your breedings. If you wouldn't mind shoot me an email with your telephone#. I'd love to chat with you further sometime.

Thanks,
Robert
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Hey Robert,

Dont think that you can relate T from of albinism to the translucent morph
The irridophores don't rely on terosine/tyrosonase/melanine for their color.
So that imo rules out T form of albinism as the T in T stands for Tyrosinase postitive.

Always a plesure talking about genetics,

Duncan
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Hey Robert,

Dont think that you can relate TPlus from of albinism to the translucent morph
The irridophores don't rely on terosine/tyrosonase/melanine for their color.
So that imo rules out Tplus form of albinism as the T in Tplus stands for Tyrosinase.
Always a plesure talking about genetics,

Duncan
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>>Hey Robert,
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>>Dont think that you can relate TPlus from of albinism to the translucent morph
>>The irridophores don't rely on terosine/tyrosonase/melanine for their color.
>>So that imo rules out Tplus form of albinism as the T in Tplus stands for Tyrosinase.
>>Always a plesure talking about genetic

**** Hey Duncan! I was actually questioning the fact that this morph has anything to do with the irridiphores whatsoever. It was the only way to explain the fact that the translucenst eyes are dark without the presences of leucism. It would definately seedm though that if this morph is producing purple and blue dragons... Itg would have to have something to do with the irridiphores. The same way the chameleons show these colors. Too bad that the beardies can't change the color as well..lol Oh well, back to the drawing board...lol

Later gang,
Robert
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Great spirits have always been recieved with violent opposition by mediocre minds. Albert Einstein