Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Welcome to kingsnake.com's message board system. Here you may share and discuss information with others about your favorite reptile and amphibian related topics such as care and feeding, caging requirements, permits and licenses, and more. Launched in 1997, the kingsnake.com message board system is one of the oldest and largest systems on the internet.

Click for ZooMed
Click for 65% off Shipping with Reptiles 2 You

Another feeding post....

gentlemantw0 Oct 23, 2005 11:47 AM

Here's a quick question. Has anyone here raised a female ball python to breeder size feeding one medium sized meal once every 7-10 days like everybody seems to think is correct? How long did it take?

I had a male ball python for 11 years that I fed like that, I doubt he ever hit 1100 grams. Most people say 1500 grams is acceptable breeding weight for females in captivity.

I know many people that have ball pythons as pets, and at three years old they are about 600-800 grams. If you plan on breeding a female, do you plan to raise it at this rate until it gets to breeding size?

I doubt it. Now as far as the long lived snakes go, for example the 48 yr old ball python. Well many of the longevity records were set by the reptile curator at the Chicago zoo. He feeds his snakes small meals very sporadically(every few months). All of his snakes look thin and underwieght, but they live a long time. Now that just isn't practical for somebody looking to breed.

Now let's look at the scenario where you feed hatchlings heavily. You might call them overweight, but when they are 2 years old, maybe 3 years old, they will look proportionate and healthy. I know you can't compare humans to ball pythons but I will. Babies are fat. Babies eat several times a day and have high body fat percentages until they hit about two years old. Then they start to get proportionate and take on the body shape of an adult.

I don't have 30 years of experience but here is my take. Feeding young ball pythons heavily for a few years and then feeding them routinely on a less frequent schedule will not hurt them seriously in the long run. We all know that snakes have the highest growth rate during their first few years. Has anyone ever noticed how hard it is to put length and weight on a ball python they picked up from someone that didn't want it anymore? I picked up an 800 gram 3 year old snake and it grew, but very slowly. After 2 years she was right around 1250 grams.

This post got long, but I had to jump in and speak my mind.

Cole Maas

Replies (7)

toshamc Oct 23, 2005 12:25 PM

I currently have 7 late 04 females (about a year old) that range from 900-1200 grams in the next year or two when they mature to breeding they will most definately be ready - they eat one appropriately sized meal a week.
-----
Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

nextworld3 Oct 23, 2005 01:00 PM

I bought Shannon a pet female ball in 03, she only feeds every tuesday (normal sized food item) and is 1300 grams today. We will be breeding her this year. I also got in a 4 yr old female from a local guy who needed to get rid of them and she was only 1100 grams, i wanted to see if age was a fector so i breed her, in 04/05 at 1100 grams she gave me 5 perfect eggs and 4 perfect eggs this yr. I have also gotten gravid females from africa that were only 900-1000 grams WITH eggs, and they laided good clutches. I think age is just as much as a factor as weight is. I have found out that if you have a 1100 gram 5 yr old female she can breed just as much as a 2yd old 1600 gram animal. I think those wild caughts i got in help show this. I also know a 1yr old 1600 gram animal will most likely not produce viable eggs.
1.Hatchligs i feed 1x a week (rat pinkies or fuzzies depending on size)
2.150 gram - 400 gram 2x week
3.400 gram as much as they want to feed (usually 3 x a week) or 1x a week with a little larger prey item (little larger is the key word, not jumbo rats for 800 gram animal lol)

A lot of my 04s that i am useing for breeding are a little over 1 yr old now and only 400-600 grams i grow them slow for the first yr and then feed them up. So in the 06 /07 season i will have nice 1300 - 1700 gram females that are a little over 2yrs old and will be a perfect breeding size and age!

Hope this helps
Jon
WEBSITE

-----
Thanks
Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics
www.nextworldexotics.com

The Hunters Guide to the Morphs
www.nextworldexotics.com/hg.htm

jmartin104 Oct 23, 2005 01:45 PM

Damn! I was not expecting that music and the volume was up too high.
-----
Jay A. Martin
Jay Martin Reptiles

gentlemantw0 Oct 23, 2005 01:51 PM

that were less than 1000 grams. I was simply using 1500 grams because it is a fairly widespread breeding size for most captive breeders.

And Tosha- You need to let me in on the secret as to what you are feeding your snakes as for them to grow that fast. You raise rats on tofu creatine or something?

Cole Maas

toshamc Oct 23, 2005 02:22 PM

No Secret

They eat one appropriate size meal a week

mice/fuzzy rats as hatchlings first few meals
rat pups till about 300 grams
wean rats to 500 grams
small rats to 800-1000 grams or so
mediums for those that are 1000 plus
large rats for those over 2000 grams

My two bigger 04s are live feeders so they get fed one small live rat a week (I dont feed anything larger than small lives - I just don't like taking the chance). The rest are on frozen thawed. My feeders are raised on The Creature Company's Rat & Mouse Lab Pellet (22% Protein). Not sure what the frozen thawed feeders are raised on.
-----
Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

nextworld3 Oct 23, 2005 02:28 PM

lol, i always forget i even have music on there, i always have my sound shut off. Good wake up call though! =)
-----
Thanks
Jon Dvoretz
Next World Exotics
www.nextworldexotics.com

The Hunters Guide to the Morphs
www.nextworldexotics.com/hg.htm

gentlemantw0 Oct 23, 2005 05:12 PM

are about the same as the growth rates of snakes that are fed a lot. The only thing I would be doing different is maybe using slighly larger prey items. A 1000 plus gram could easily take down a large rat.

Maybe there's more to the growth rate. Do you live by any nuclear plants? Any tap water issues maybe lol.

Cole Maas

Site Tools