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I went to a herp show today looking for an easily bred snake, I came home with a FREE ghost corn snake. It was free because it had a kinked neck. Both parents were motley blue corn snakes, and it was the only one in the clutch that wasnt blue motley. I'm hoping on picking up a male for her that is a blue motley, because they are supposedley really easy to sell.

i'm new to the cornsnake family.

I would love to know what you guys think

Do kinks affect breeding/ feeding/ longevity/ anything?

Cant wait to breed her
BEN

GOD BLESS

It's great that you were willing to take in a kinked cornsnake! Generally, they are culled as hatchlings (which is probably why you received her free), but some breeders do offer them to loving homes that guarantee they will not breed the particular specimen.

Breeding kinked specimens is discouraged, their is no 100% way to tell if the issue is genetic or incubation error.

If you insist on breeding her, you need to diclose to the new owners that the dam has been kinked since hatching, and breeding the offspring can result in additional defects.

it was kinked when he was closing the tank, he accidentally shut it on the neck, so its not genetic.

When it is not genetic, it doesnt matter right?

BEN

LOL jk man its cool that picked up a corn!! No I believe that if its not genetic it wont do anything to the babies if you breed him. You do know that you have to wait like 2 or 3 years depending on how you feed him right? Dont go rushing to breed him just because he looks big in 3 months or something. Oh yeah pick up the new corn snake guide by kathy love, I'm getting one soon as I just purchased a hatchling a week and a half ago.

yeah, lol i wont breed him now

2 years is when i'll try. I want to make sure this kink isnt genetic though, if it is i'll give it back to him and get different one.

is blue motley a proven morph???

BEN

"Blue" Motley is a fancy name for a basic Ghost Motley

Are you 100% certain the kink is not genetic? Did the little guy come from a reputable breeder?

hmmm, this was the only one in the clutch that wasnt blue

I'll question him on it, I think he's reputable dealer, he had a really nice setup, and seemed to know the other dealers.

hmm I dont know what i'm gonna do.

i dont want all the babies to b ghost corns, they are too plain for me

BEN

The babies will probably not be all ghost (thats for sure). Breed him to an amel and you will probably see good results (im not good with genetics though). Please dont breed that snake if its a genetic disorder, instead replace that one for a better snake or just get another one and keep that one to if you can afford it. what is he het for? (what genes does he carry?)

Hmmm I hope it's not genetic as the above poster said. I know if I was a breeder my hatchlings (especially a ghost) would be all the same price and if one had a kink from an accident I'd still charge roughly the same money, thats just me though. But atleast you went and got yourself a snake that will be around you for a good time. Whats your setup (i.e tank,hides,substrate)? Post pics when you can.

heres the link to my pic of her

She's in a 10 gal, with water, two cocnut hides with carefresh substrate

the temp is 86deg F on the warm end

I think i might give it back to him since it was free, I really can only have 2 new ones, not 3, so I might have to give her back

i dunno
BEN
http://photobucket.com/albums/c153/b23ball23/

OK, I see the kink. That's a toss up whether or not it's genetic. I personally, because of not knowing for sure if it's genetic, would not breed him.

And you're little guy looks like an Anery Motley...If the siblings were Ghost Motleys (what the breeder called "Blue" Motley), your little guy would be het for Hypo.

Great looking snake you got there but it looks serriously like a genetic problem rather than one that will fix itself. I dont think the breeder would just give him away for free because he wasnt the type he wanted, the least he would do would be to lower the money for him so he could get him out of his way. I'm not snake expert but I do think thats genetic. If you can please return him or give him to someone that has snakes or reptiles. You can probably replace him for the breeders negligence and get a nice pair or a healthy snake.

when he was inspecting it at the show, he noticed the kink,he then remembered that it was the one he accidentally injured, then asked if I wanted it. Maybe it was all a big scam, and he just wanted to get rid of it.

Now i need to return it and figure out what pair to get...UGHHH

I wish i just would have went with another breeder, because I went in with intensions of a pair for breeding, then left with a only one snake, a snake that is a mystery breed a kinked.

I really hope he returns my emails, I've got some serious questions

BEN

id love to take the snake if you didnt want it, but shipping just costs so much
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.3 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

soon to aquire

Corn- (not sure what morph yet)

Yea please tell us asap what he says and stuff. If you were intent on getting a pair you should have gotten a pair. I know the snake was free and looked really nice but come on if your going to breed then it has to be a snake (or 2) you really want, maybe you thought he was a good guy (maybe he is) but I garuntee that if you spent money then you would have gotten a snake that was worth the money. I'm not a psychic but its pretty obvious why the little one was free and now the guy gets to walk away and your left to care for a snake that you have to care for or look for a home for. I shouldn't be saying this because maybe in the end you will get what you wanted and have a nice new pair or maybe its not a genetic kink but you never know these things.

Doesn't matter if the kink is genetic it still should not be bred. If it is a female and become egg laden the she and the eggs could die due to the kink.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
0.0.1 Butter Corn "Butters" (South Park)
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"

i truly think it was a mistake

what my intesions, before I learned kinks were bad, was to buy aanother snake from him this week (blue motley-which now I know arent even a real morph)

I think it will all be resolved....i wish i could keep her, but my mom made it clear that she only could deal with 2 more snakes, and I dont want to try to ask for another.

i think i will be able to return the snake, and pick up a new pair......now hmmmmmmmmm what morphs should the pair be (i'm thinkin bloodred maybe, but not something too much$$???

anyone kno what morph has a good market/ might have a good market (so i will be able to find them good hom without too much trouble) I would like to keep the hathling pair under 100$ (50 each)

thanks for the help, I think i can work it out, I'll keep ya posted!!

BEN

GOD BLESS

I actually dont know what morphs you should start with,before you pick up that new pair you need to know what they are het for. I mean you could pick up a wonderful pair the next day and in 2 years they come out with a whole bunch of normals (still nice), so its important to know what the pair carry and they you can use that gene calculator that phiber uses (i dont know where it is). I dont really know or care what is "hot" right now because soon they will be average normal corns, but if im right candycanes and ultramel's are the thing. I could be wrong though.

jaysonj your the funniest guy, i read all ur posts. You love to help people even when ur new yourself, you do seem to know most of your info though. Thats a very good attitude.Im not making fun of u or anything so dont take it thatway. How old are you?It seems like you would be under 20
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.3 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

soon to aquire

Corn- (not sure what morph yet)

You can get a nice pair of Corns for £100 but you won't get any morph that's really red-hot or that brings a major profit margin.

Why not check out some web sites like Kathy Love's and buy a morph that you really like the look of? At the same time, you can also check out the prices to see what commands the best price.

Unless you plan to go into Corn breeding in a major way (like, buy some warehouse space or a barn!) then you won't make a profit. With just one pair of relatively cheap morphs, it's probable that you won't recoup the cost of buying/housing/feeding the adults unless they breed for years.

And don't forget Sod's Law of Corn Breeding which states "Just because you put a male and female together, doesn't guarantee that they will mate or produce fertile eggs."

It's probably best to view breeding as a fascinating addition to the enjoyment of keeping Corns in the first place.

Hun, a kink at the neck will not affect a female from laying...

i'm getting mixed messages whether its reasonable to breed it

heres the deal: the snake is a beautful ghost corn with a kinked neck (the only kink is just below its head)
the dealer claims:
-it was born fine, but accidentally injured
-and was the only snake in its clutch that wasnt a blue color ghost

I would love to breed it, but dont want any complications, since its only kinked in the neck, it seems like it would not be a problem when breding

the only thing i'm worried about is if the kink is genetic, the babies will come out kinked and injured.

Well, i just fed her a pinky, and she ate quickly.

As of now the options are:
return her, and get new pair
OR
keep her, and buy a male from the same breeder(probably a blue ghost corn) and breed them, hoping the kink is not genetic.

BEN

LoL thanks for noticing. I'm 16 so I try and help people even though I'm sometimes wrong. I say its trial and error, people don't like me because I know a lot but not enough but thats ok. I'd say in 5 years I'll be breeding snakes and giving info out to people that were my age in the future but not untill I get my own place =).

Like I said just get another snake, I dont know about kinks but still its very weird looking and hard not to think how the heck it happened. Best advice IMO is either keep him and take care of an already good looking snake or replace it now because god know you cant replace it next year at the next show. Its safe to say its genetic if 2 years from now his neck is still 45 degrees to the right.

yeah, definantly better to be safe then sorry, i'll work something out with the breeder to get me some new ones

BEN

hey im only 17 but ive been involved with snakes since i was 8 or 9
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.3 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

soon to aquire

Corn- (not sure what morph yet)

don't breed her to a sibling whether she's kinked or not.

I never said it would stop her from laying eggs. I am saying that you should not breed a snake with a defect because the stress could kill her and the eggs. Even if a kink is in the tip of the tail PAST the cloaca it is still always encouraged that you do not breed. And has the snake even eaten yet? It looks as though it will choke.....
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
0.0.1 Butter Corn "Butters" (South Park)
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"

we are all talking about kinks and stuff, well tommorow my house may be kinked after now cat 3 hurricane wilma hits us, im on the east coast of fl but its not gonna weaken at the rate of speed its going. I give my best to everyone else who has to see the effects of wilma.
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.3 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

soon to aquire

Corn- (not sure what morph yet)

Sad you have to go through it, especially if your on the east side of wilma which I hear is the worst. Good luck and maybe everything will come out better then you thought.

Hopefully it will, and thanks alot. I went threw jeane and frances last year so i hope this one isnt any worse. I really feel for the victims of katrina and rita. It sucks this time because for jeane and frances my windows were boarded, i couldnt boarder them this year because i didnt have a drill. I lost 2 windows last year and they were boarded. I dont have any boards and theres gunna be over 100 mph winds, dont seem to good for me. But i hope im wrong and its gonna be ok. Ill post as soon after wen power gets restored. probably gonna be alot of snakes in my yard after the storm, like always. Well to all others waiting for wilma good luck
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.3 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

soon to aquire

Corn- (not sure what morph yet)

Good Luck candB I am on the east coast of FL too. We were lucky last year with Charlie, Frances and Jeanne, Charlie hit me the worst.

Hope to talk to you after Wilma!
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1.2 Ghost Corns, Beetlejuice, Casper and Spooky
1.1 Charcoal het pewter, Smokey and Flame
1.1 Hypo het lavender, Rosy and Rocko
1.0 Anery, Goku
0.1 Amel, Sunny
2.0 Tabby Cats, Daddycat and his son Brat
0.1 Australian Shepherd, Angel

Gypsy

good luck man

yes, the snake ate just last night, and didnt choke

my plan is still to return her, and pick up a different pair

BEN

GOD BLESS

Well its here right now, i dont kno why i am online. Its 627 and we r just now getting the tropical winds. Talk to you all later
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.3 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

soon to aquire

Corn- (not sure what morph yet)

I said a prayer for you and others

BEN

Thanks
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.3 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

soon to aquire

Corn- (not sure what morph yet)