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PEORIA JOURNAL STAR (Illinois) 24 October 05 DNR nabs turtles in EP - State agency raids reptile sale, alleging violation of federal law (Jennifer Peryam)
East Peoria: What started out as a Halloween bash where reptiles were being sold turned into a raid that resulted in a $75 fine for a vendor and a confiscated turtle.
"I wanted to hold a nice event for kids to get some reptiles at a decent price that they normally can't find in pet shops," said Jason Johnson, promoter of Midwest Reptile Expo Show at the East Peoria Convention Center at The Oaks.
Vendors from Illinois, Chicago and Iowa sold exotic reptiles, such as panther chameleons, albino red tail boas and poison dart frogs, at the bash. Children also dressed up in costumes to celebrate Halloween early.
At 11 a.m., seven undercover men from the Illinois Department of Natural Resources came in and purchased turtles and a grey rat snake. Shortly thereafter, three armed and uniformed DNR officers entered.
"I tried to stop them at the door, but they told me to get out of the way or I would be arrested," Johnson said.
"They were the authority of the day and they had badges and guns so I had no choice but to listen to them."
According to Johnson, the officers said they were going to take turtles because the sale was in violation of a Food and Drug Administration law stating that turtles with a carapace - the bottom of their shell - that is less than four inches are prohibited from general sale. The law has two provisions that states that the turtles can be sold for bona fide educational and scientific purposes and that sales not in connection with a business are not affected by the law.
The vendors at the sale are private breeders and "hobbyists" and therefore should be exempt from the law, Johnson said.
Despite repeated attempts, no one from the DNR could be reached for comment.
"It's not like I'm promoting this show to sell illegal reptiles," Johnson said. "I'm promoting it as a fun kids event," Iowa vendor Flynn Reptile was fined $75 for selling the grey rat snake, Johnson said. He also said turtles from one vendor were confiscated.
"It's so unfortunate that we have a family-oriented event like this to encourage parents and kids, and this happens," said Devon Cady of Cady Reptiles in Peoria. Cady sold lizards, crested geckos and leopard geckos at the event.
"The whole idea of things like this is to educate the public and kids."
DNR nabs turtles in EP

While I agree that owning reptiles and amphibians does encourage people to become knowledgeable about them, and therefore make the public more aware, overall these shows are not for this purpose. These expos are a chance for breeders to sell there stock and make money. Laws must still be obeyed, and this is not the first time this particular show has had issues with following regulations set by the DNR. If these expos were aimed at educating the public, they would do so properly, and would not need to push the law. First, you would see more conservation organizations being supported. At a recent east coast show, where thousands of people atended, when all the non-profit conservation oragnizations came together and combined donations for the 2 day event, it averaged out to be about .06 cents a person donation.That is sad, considering these non-profits were helping species of reptile all over the world.
Second, it would be nice to see vendors selling appropriate animals to appropriate buyers. For example, I have witnessed a 15 year old purchase a cobra in Hamburg, and have also witnessed vendors selling burmese pythons to beginner reptile owners, and telling them that they only grow to the size of their cage. I know their are good vendors out there, I now many myself. However, many are just out for the money. This does not even take into account the sale of wild caught species, which should not be sold anyway.
I am a firm believer that reptiles are huge learning oppertunities, but we must do the right thing, and follow the laws in order to keep our hobby alive.

J

Actually, this show has never been busted prior to this. I believe you are thinking of the Lee Watson Swap further north. Both shows are in IL but this one is relatively new...having only around four or five shows so far.
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Michael
http://turtletracker.com

Thanks for clearing that up! I was referring to the Mid-west reptile show! Sorry for the confusion.

J

"According to Johnson, the officers said they were going to take turtles because the sale was in violation of a Food and Drug Administration law stating that turtles with a carapace - the bottom of their shell - that is less than four inches are prohibited from general sale. The law has two provisions that states that the turtles can be sold for bona fide educational and scientific purposes and that sales not in connection with a business are not affected by the law."

Ummm...no one noticed that the law is SCL, not PLASTRON as they have explained above. Obviously a non-turtle person writing the story, but I still think the law is antiquated and needs an update. I have species that rarely get to 4" even as adults...with the amount of education available, and with breeders such as myself educating our customers, this law is rediculous.
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Thanks!

Scott

PEORIA JOURNAL STAR (Illinois) 27 October 05 Shell shocked - Authorities keep close eye on sales at reptile expo
In the law of the reptile world, there's not much wiggle room for baby turtles.
Poison dart frogs, panther chameleons, bearded dragons, leopard geckos, even boa constrictors are, in general, legal game for vendors to sell as pets to amateur herpetologists - or just plain lizard lovers - at so-called swap fairs.
But several decades ago, the federal government passed a law designed to stop young children from putting turtles into their mouths. Too many kids contracted salmonella poisoning as a result.
Jason Johnson of Peoria said Wednesday he knows the law well. State officials and a local herpetology society president countered that if he does, he shouldn't have been surprised by the visit state agents paid him Sunday.
It came in the form of a raid on the Midwest Reptile Expo at the East Peoria Convention Center at The Oaks, a privatefacility that Johnson has rented since June for the event he promotes once a month.
"Basically, it's where people can get all kinds of exotic animals that most pet shops don't carry," Johnson, 30, said.
About 50 vendors take part in the event each fourth Sunday, and Convention Center co-owner Rollie Campbell said it keeps growing in popularity.
"It's such a nice family event," he said. For the Halloween season, "Vendors dressed in costumes and kids were going trick-or-treating to each table" - until, he said, they were "traumatized."
That's when three uniformed agents from the Illinois Department of Natural Resources arrived, strongly advised Johnson and Campbell not to try to block their entry and joined with seven undercover agents already inside to halt the proceedings for an hour.
Since its inception, the expo has been "the subject of an extensive investigation for the unlawful sale of threatened or endangered species and violations of the federal Lacey Act and (of) the federal Food and Drug Administration," said DNR spokeswoman Melany Arnold.
Several layers of state and federal laws regulate exotic animal sales. Johnson acknowledged that, in July, a vendor from Chicago illegally sold a 4-foot-long alligator - unknowingly to an undercover agent - after Johnson allowed him to bring the animal in from the heat of his parked car.
"I said, 'Bring it in, put it in a box under the table and don't you dare sell it!'" Johnson said. "The agent heard me and offered (the vendor) some ungodly amount of money, and he sold it."
That vendor has not yet been cited for the alleged violation. Alligators and other federally designated endangered species and venomous reptiles are barred from sale in Illinois, said DNR biologist/herpetologist Scott Ballard. Poison dart snakes, once removed from the food they eat in the wild, are not poisonous.
The raid Sunday has produced only one citation so far. An Iowa-based vendor did not have the state license required to sell a gray rat snake, protected by law because it's native to Illinois. The expo's dealings, however, "remain under investigation," Arnold said.
As for Johnson, "I'd say he's not clear of any charges yet," said Jason Juchim, president of the Central Illinois Herpetological Society. That's because he and Ballard said they told Johnson that vendors are breaking the law if they sell turtles with top shells, or carapaces, less than four inches long.
Johnson, who's owned "tons" of reptiles since he caught a dime-sized turtle as a boy and raised it over a decade, said he believes the law allows small turtles to be sold in the course of a hobby or for educational purposes, though not in the course of a business.
"I told him no," the law carries no such loopholes, Ballard said. "But he said, 'We're hobbyists.' " That doesn't matter, Ballard said.
Johnson said whether his vendors turn a profit at his shows "is their personal business. I honestly don't know." After overhead expenses, he makes less than $300 each show and uses that to promote his next one.
"If the show keeps growing, I might make a profit someday," he said. But for now, he'll watch to see if the Sunday raid has scared many vendors from his next expo planned for Nov. 27.
Shell shocked - Authorities keep close eye on sales at reptile expo