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Can someone explain the benefit of buying a double het animal?

I can see if the combo helps you create a unique morph like a snowball.

However, why would I buy a combo's like I see: 1.0 (100% Albino / 50% Pied) for $1850.00?

What is the benefit to me, when I can buy them seperately for $250.00 total for both?

I don't see it...

Alan

It's an pied albino (albino pied?) project.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

But why together for $1800.00? Why not seperately for $250.00?

The double het is not to produce pieds or albinos but a pied albino (traits combined) you can't do that unless you have double hets.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

I see what your saying now. It makes sense to me with albino x axanthic. I just wouldn't think to cross pied x albino?

Thanks,

Alan

Ideally when doing a recessive cross you would want a snake 100% het for Pied and 100% het for albino to do cross (betters your odds). If you were to buy a male 100% albino $150 and a male 50% pied you'd have to breed them out to normal females? or hets? If you breed them to normals you lower your odds and end up working with 50% PH albino and 25%PH pied. Your odds could be slightly better if you breed those to hets instead of normals. Either way it is additional costs and time (many years) to figure in.

That is why there is a high price tag. Which $1800 really doesn't sound too bad.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

that you are dealing with only a 50% pos het pied makes that price steep. There's a decent chance you are paying 1800 for a het albino male. Plus, you would have to prove it out. Say you breed it to a piebald. Then, if you are lucky you get a pied, and it's only 50% pos het albino. Without producing the pied then you have babies that are 100%het pied 50% pos het albino. The process keeps going and going. I can maybe see paying 1800 for a 100%het pied./50% pos het albino, but for a het albino pos het pied-NO WAY!

Cole Maas

True it is a gamble but what in this hobby isn't - LOL. It's not a gamble that I would take - unless I had an pied or het pied female to put it with or maybe if it had solid markers I would be more inclined. But you're right 100% pied 50% albino would be more worth the risk.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

If you are buying this snake it's because you are going for the double het and not because you want either gene by it's self. It would be way overpriced even just as a het pied male. I would actually be much more stoked about it being 100% het albino since I've not heard of any good way to identify those. On the pied side you could help your odds both with this one and with the daughters to pick to hold back if he has good markers.

long shot......

gamble!

100% x 100% for 1 in 16!
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RicK @ BbI

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I know its a gamble.

I mean why would someone want to spend $1850.00 to buy:
1.0 (100% Albino x 50% Pied) animal, when they can buy a 1.0 (100% Albino) for $150.00 and 1.0 (50% Pied) for $100.00 - $250.00 total?

I don't see it.

Alan

Why? The gene is in one animal not two animals.
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RicK @ BbI

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someone was selling them for about 16k a pair, if I recall correctly. Now, you could buy 1 pied male for 4k, and 6 female albinos for 12k(probably less if you buy 6).
Let's say you get an average of 4 good eggs from each female.
24 eggs, lets say a 50/50 ratio of babies.
You have 12 double het pairs, 3 years down the road, for the price of one pair 3 years prior.
Now even if the price has dropped it would make more sense to do it yourself. Keep all you females and maybe the 3 best males for kicks. Sell off the other 9 males for whatever the market price is, IMO opinion they shouldn't be more than a grand in a few years.

Then you breed your 12 females a few years down the road, let's pretend you get 4 eggs from each and hit the genetic odds you wind up with 3 albino pieds. Maybe you'd score big and get seperate sexes too.

Considering the problems with breeding homo albino's I'd say it would be best to have several dbl homo males and a boat load of dbl het and pied het albino females.

I like the albino pied project. It's not really the best get rich quick plan but there are many different angles you could attack it.

Cole Maas

There are several reasons that I can think of for the increased price:

1. In order to produce a 1.0 100% het albino/50% het pied you basically have to 'waste' a chance at producing a visible morph with that breeding. You would either have to breed an albino male to a het pied female or a het pied male to an albino female. The breeder has just lost the chance to produce pieds or albinos by using his breeder females to produce only hets.

2. Both traits are in one animal. In order to get a 1.0 100% het albino/50% het pied in one animal from 1.0 het albino and 1.0 50% het pied....it would take you years. Someone else has already done all the work at getting the two trait in one animal...so you save alot of time.

3. With the possible DH bp, you may eventually produce a double homozygous bp...and you know what they sell for. $$$$$

It is definately not a waste of money and deserves the price. I plan on producing some possible DH ball pythons in the years to come. Most I will keep back...but others I may sell. I definately will charge a price that is worthy of the snakes and the time I put into producing them.

How many more years would it take to produce a double recessive morph the "do it yourself way" especially from hets!
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