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I've got a question!

I just got my 1st geckos this past weekend from geckoville and had a genetics question.

I got...

0.1 jungle
1.0 het patternless
0.1 patternless

Now...The het and the patternless came from patternless x snow het patternless...

Does this mean the babies are 100% het snow then? and is Jungle a proven morph (or just a surprise) and you need jungle jungle (or het) to make it?

Thanks!

There is no such a thing as het. snow or het. tang.
Tangerine and Snows are line bred traits. If you cross your het patternless with a patternless, then half of the babies will be patternless, the other half would be normal looking babies that are het for patternless.
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Ooooooo...So you're saying snow and tang are NOT proven morphs! Wow...I didn't know that...Then how do you create snows and tangs? What are all the proven morphs and all the surprises?

they are proven morphs, but they are line bred,
meaning, in order two get tangs, you need to breed two tangs with each other(this does not happen all the time). you could also take some semi tang (yellow orange geckos) and breed them to each other and with luck you can get orange babies or yellow babies. Its really luck of the draw with line bred morphs.
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That makes no sense...

The way it goes with ball pythons, if it's not genetic, it's not a morph. If you can get hets from a morph to normal breeding, it's not genetic.

Line Bred traits ARE proven traits. they're not "random" rather "variable"

Tang x Tang could create normals, but is much more likely to create Tangs of similar quality to the parents.

Likewise Tang x Normal could produce a range of things, but most likely you'll get a middle ground between the two.

Snow is a much less refined trait than Tang at the moment, so it is much more difficult to predict the quality of offspring until they are adults.

Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable referring to these traits as color phases? (which i'd agree with) They're not mutations, rather selectively bred.

>>That makes no sense...
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>>The way it goes with ball pythons, if it's not genetic, it's not a morph. If you can get hets from a morph to normal breeding, it's not genetic.
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Steven Beckerman
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Ok, that makes more sense. It's sort of like the okeetee and amel okeetee in cornsnakes. Makes more sense now! Thank you.

I'm new to the genetics of these guys, and I've never found a good site that seperates the morphs individually, or explains the color phases seperatly. I think it would be a good idea for someone to do that (the Leopard Gecko has few variations in it).

just trying this out

Just wanted to clear something up here: The babies that blckkat got from us came from breeding our patternless carrot tail male to one of our snow females. Apparently one of the females was also het patternless as one of the babies came out as such.

Uriah and Tina Walker
geckoville