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Odd behaviour (a little long)

Magpie Oct 30, 2005 03:06 PM

I've been noticing some odd behaviour with my 5 month old gecko, Edward. I'll begin with the setup (please excuse me if my thought process seems kind of scattered) I have him in a 10 gallon tank with paper towels (not sure what he was on before), a hide on both hot and cool sides plus a moist hide, a calicium dish, a mealworm dish that is always filled, and a water dish. I have an UTH and a little over head light with an 25w night bulb (was a 15w, which I changed out right before the wierd behaviour started). Well the beginning of this week, around the 24th it started to get cold (well not so bad cold since I live in California), but it finally started to rain. Anyway that weekend I was gone for a couple of days and left him with mealworms, which he ate. So far he's been a great feeder, he's a pig is what he is. Anyway I got the 25w bulb on tues, since its starting to get cold. I put that in, then weds he starts acting "wierd". Mainly what he does is when I would go to feed him at night, he wouldn't be out staring at me to feed him, or sometimes he would. But what he does do when he notices me when I put the crickets in his tank he has no interest in the crickets instead he paces and looks for a way out of his tank. What he does is climbs all over everything, stares up and tries and climbs the walls. And when I put my hand in the tank he is more than eager to get onto my hand so he can get out. He's done this before in the past, but was never this obssessed before. He ate one cricket on Weds and has repeated this behaviour everyday so far. He hasn't eaten anything since weds, even tho I've offered it to him. Of course when I am not near the tank his behaviour is normal, but he still won't eat. So I tried putting his tank back to the same position it was at, tho that hadn't bothered him before. I also tried leaving him with the mealworms and not being in the same room with him until midnight, but he still won't eat. I haven't tried yet putting the old bulb back in.

Now questions:
1. Might this behaviour have anything to do with the weather getting cold? My snake does the same thing during the winter, tho he usually refuses to eat starting late Dec. but does try to escape now heh
2. If this is just a nature thing, how long can he go without food? I'm used to the snake being ok for a while without food, but this gecko eats a lot more often than the snake. The gecko is of a good weight. But with him being a bit young is it ok for him to not eat for however long?
3. Could this restless behaviour be warning signs of something more serious, that I should take him to the vet? Which I have a feeling I might have to. Can anyone recomend a good reptile vet in the Sacramento area?
4. Does there look to be anything wrong with my setup? the UTH is set at the right temp but maybe the air needs to be a little bit warmer?

hmmm I think thats it.

Replies (11)

Lucien Oct 30, 2005 05:48 PM

I believe you may have him too hot... The idea is to give the leo a gradient of temps, not one temp throughout the cage. I find an undertank heater alone plenty of heat without the light and that leos do better without a heat lamp...they hide during the day away from light... far away from light and come out onto warm rocks to warm up at night... before going hunting. Check your temps.. carefully, without the heat lamp on and see what they are... I personally find giving my leos a belly heat area of about 100 is good..(Thats SURFACE temp.. not air temp.. air temp above the surface is like 88-90) then it reduces from there in stages of about 5-8 degrees until it gets to 79-82 at the cooler end... which they also use when they feel like it.. Thats the key to healthy leos.. temp gradients.. I don't use lights anymore because I never saw my leos hardly and they didn't eat as well..

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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
3.5.3 Leopard geckos (2.0 Blizzards (Caine and Goliath), 0.1 Tangerine Albino (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short), 1.0 Rainwater Albino (Mycah), 0.4 Poss. Het. Albino (Annika, Lace, Rain and Aris) and 2.1 dbl. het blizzard x tang albino (Malice, Malfeas, and Mystic))
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros)
13 rats
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
3 cats (Ashe, Sahara and Hercules)
6 Fish (4 Red Danios, 1 Cardinal Fish, and 1 Tiger Barb)
8 Ramshorn snails
"And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!"

Magpie Oct 31, 2005 09:10 PM

Hmmmm well I rechecked my temps after posting my first reply, cool side was 79degrees, the floor over the UTH was 98. Maybe it is that, its just I thought the 25w wasn't that hot *shrugs* Plus it was only on one side. He was doing fine for 3 months with just the little 15W. =/ I'll switch it back then. Thanks for the help.

Tho if he still doesn't eat?

princesskain Nov 01, 2005 01:37 AM

I find it is not uncommon for leo's to go off feed occasionally. As they grow, their metabolism slows down. Most of my adults only eat 1x weekly (a couple, 1x every other week)... I've had some of my faster growing offspring display similar feeding habits by 5-6 months of age. For example, one of my females is 55g and hatched in May. For the past 2 months, she has only eaten 1x weekly - she doesn't need to eat any more because she is of adult size now.

As long as your boy is still active and tail looks good, I'd say he's fine. And another thing..... some of my juveniles pace a lot at night time/feeding time. But the crickets are always gone by morning, so I think they prefer to eat when the lights go out.

Regards,
Hailey

www.IDGecko.com

geckogrl6 Nov 02, 2005 07:14 PM

The info in earlier posts was very good. It sounds like he was a littl e hot. He can go for about 10 days without concern, but if he still wont eat after two weeks, you may want to do a fecal. Also, my males tend to do this climbing the walls when they smell another leo. Do you have a new addition he may be sniffing? He is prob getting sexually mature at his age, and hormones are kicking in. My guess is that lowering the heat should do it tho.
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1.0 Hypo stripe, Het Rainwater from JL (BJ)
1.0 HypoTang from Crested (Apricot)
1.0 Tremper Albino (Cloud)
0.2 Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko (Beatrice, Pepper (het stripe))
0.1 Normal (Freckles)
0.1 SHCT Leopard Gecko (Brite)
0.1 Tangy Mutt Leopard Gecko (Rainbow)
0.1 Tremper Albino (Leucy)
RIP Peaches, Ghost, Bill
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Magpie Nov 02, 2005 07:51 PM

"He is prob getting sexually mature at his age, and hormones are kicking in."

hahah figures. Anyway I'll keep an eye out on him, he still hasn't eaten even with the extra light off. He's been drinking tho. And the vet'll be able to do a fecal if he isn't pooping (probably should have mentioned this earlier =/)?

Anyway, no new geckos, its just him and the snake (not together of course) for right now.

Thanks!

geckogrl6 Nov 02, 2005 10:21 PM

no, no feces, no fecal. Have you ruled out impaction? I also keep my "fragile" gex in slightly warmer and more hydrated conditions. try paper towel that you are wetting once or twice a day. With a UTH it will dry pretty quick, but should raise the humidity some. You can also try giving him a sauna regularly. Im concerned that he's eating but not pooping.
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1.0 Hypo stripe, Het Rainwater from JL (BJ)
1.0 HypoTang from Crested (Apricot)
1.0 Tremper Albino (Cloud)
0.2 Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko (Beatrice, Pepper (het stripe))
0.1 Normal (Freckles)
0.1 SHCT Leopard Gecko (Brite)
0.1 Tangy Mutt Leopard Gecko (Rainbow)
0.1 Tremper Albino (Leucy)
RIP Peaches, Ghost, Bill
Hatched: ~25

MagPie Nov 02, 2005 11:44 PM

"no, no feces, no fecal. Have you ruled out impaction? I also keep my "fragile" gex in slightly warmer and more hydrated conditions. try paper towel that you are wetting once or twice a day. With a UTH it will dry pretty quick, but should raise the humidity some. You can also try giving him a sauna regularly. Im concerned that he's eating but not pooping."

You know I'm not sure about impaction, it had crossed my mind. I've had the little guy for 3 months on paper towels. So maybe it was from before then *shrugs* Well up until this happened he was eating and pooping normally. I know you can tell impaction from the stomach, I don't know what to look for.
Anyway, heh how would I give him a sauna?
hmmm I think maybe I should go ahead and make a vet appointment.

geckogrl6 Nov 03, 2005 10:26 AM

I have a great sauna method. Take a rubbermaid with holes in the sides for air. Put a wet paper towel in the bottom and zap it in the microwave so it is warm, NOT hot! Put the little guy in and the top on, and let him sit in the steam until it gets cool. If he was pooping b4, and you've had him on paper towel, impaction is less likely.
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1.0 Hypo stripe, Het Rainwater from JL (BJ)
1.0 HypoTang from Crested (Apricot)
1.0 Tremper Albino (Cloud)
0.2 Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko (Beatrice, Pepper (het stripe))
0.1 Normal (Freckles)
0.1 SHCT Leopard Gecko (Brite)
0.1 Tangy Mutt Leopard Gecko (Rainbow)
0.1 Tremper Albino (Leucy)
RIP Peaches, Ghost, Bill
Hatched: ~25

geckogrl6 Nov 03, 2005 10:32 AM

reread your earlier posts. How long since he has pooped? Any urates? If you could take a nice pic of his belly, I will take a look for you. Impaction is hard to daignose visually, but he seems to have some of the other symptoms as well. If his belly is very black, it is time for a vet visit. You can try giving him one very small drop of mineral oil to "grwase" his insides. Do not use the kind w/any additives. If that doesnt get him to poop, and he is losing weight, its time for a vet visit. As long as he is eating some, and maintaining body weight, give him a few more days and see if he improves with your temp change. I use a UTH only in a 10 gal and all of them do just fine.
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1.0 Hypo stripe, Het Rainwater from JL (BJ)
1.0 HypoTang from Crested (Apricot)
1.0 Tremper Albino (Cloud)
0.2 Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko (Beatrice, Pepper (het stripe))
0.1 Normal (Freckles)
0.1 SHCT Leopard Gecko (Brite)
0.1 Tangy Mutt Leopard Gecko (Rainbow)
0.1 Tremper Albino (Leucy)
RIP Peaches, Ghost, Bill
Hatched: ~25

MagPie Nov 04, 2005 12:09 PM

Well, his under belly isn't black at all, but I'll get a pic anyway, sometime this weekend. Tho, he did poop last night heh kind of small but it was there, with urine as well. Go figure, before last night he had only pooped on that last weds, when he had that one cricket. He hasn't been eating any mealworms. I'll try giving him a suana, just in case. Can't hurt him. Thanks again

geckogrl6 Nov 05, 2005 11:33 AM

Thats a really good sign. Keep offering crix, if he will eat them. Make sure you are dusting very well, and yeah, a sauna wont hurt. FYI: the method I gave you is also very helpful for softening and removing skin left on the toes or elsewhere. Keep us updated!
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1.0 Hypo stripe, Het Rainwater from JL (BJ)
1.0 HypoTang from Crested (Apricot)
1.0 Tremper Albino (Cloud)
0.2 Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko (Beatrice, Pepper (het stripe))
0.1 Normal (Freckles)
0.1 SHCT Leopard Gecko (Brite)
0.1 Tangy Mutt Leopard Gecko (Rainbow)
0.1 Tremper Albino (Leucy)
RIP Peaches, Ghost, Bill
Hatched: ~25

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