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what weight and length is good for a male to be ready to breed and what weight and length is good for a female to be ready to breed?

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Sam
Gecko Den
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Hope that other guy didn't get offended though....

Quick Answer:

1500 grams (not length) for female, 800 grams for males.

P.S. Do your research!
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-Ohh, what a Lady-

Balls for Life, Baby!

Looks like he's gonna try the "Get rich quick" thing. If you gotta come on a forum and ask questions that are readily available on a huge number of sites, don't quite your day job..
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Joe Lydon

np
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Joe Lydon

Do you have nothing better to do than go from forum to forum to see who's doing this and who's doing that?

Your reply just shows how arrogant you are.

I guess we should all know as much as you and then we would be ok.

Maybe the person is exited about their new or old animals and wants to talk about things, I wish people like you and the other who were rude would just not reply, it doesn't make it fun to come here and it DOES make it look like the BALL PYTHON people are @%^$*&#@.

leave them alone

steve

"Do you have nothing better to do than go from forum to forum to see who's doing this and who's doing that?

Your reply just shows how arrogant you are.

I guess we should all know as much as you and then we would be ok.

Maybe the person is exited about their new or old animals and wants to talk about things, I wish people like you and the other who were rude would just not reply, it doesn't make it fun to come here and it DOES make it look like the BALL PYTHON people are @%^$*&#@.

leave them alone

steve"

Me arrogant?? You bet, when it comes to lazy people! As far as having nothing better to do, I'm a participant in both forums.. How many "genuinely excited" newbie snake enthusiasts come right out of the hole asking about regulation sizes to breed their snakes?? Boas and ball pythons at the same time, no less.. Maybe I become "RUDE" when I see people coming in to make the money but not even go through the time and effort to research the information on their own. Questions like the ones on this post are derived from monetarily motivated minds.. "Uh, how big do my ball pythons gotta be before I can make some money off them?"... "What morph will hold its value"... Questions like these can be answered on your own, through experience.. If the person had a GENUINE interest in the animals and was SOOOO EXCITED, he would be doing a multitude of websearches attempting to find out as much as he can about them and would run across the breeding information in his own as did I when I first came into this.. But nope, he can be lazy, cut straight to the point on here and gather everyone elses time and effort. Call me what you will, only sticks and stones may hurt me.
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Joe Lydon

I've only been keeping balls for a few months (i've been keeping reptiles my whole life) and I am shocked by the uninformed nature of some of the posts on this site. I can answer most of this type of question already. Why? because I spent almost a year researching balls on the thousands of good sites out there before buying one and since getting my snakes have actually observed them! Do I plan on breeding? Of coarse! But for love of the snakes! Would I like to make money doing it? Duh. But in like, a decade! Keep em cause ya love em!
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1.1 Balls (1.0 het clown 0.1 normal)
1.1 Kittys and
0.1 WC Human
"I need evaluation...and dinner; and by dinner I don't meen gnome heads!"

People need to buy books...Read....Research...Ask questions. Or something like that Instead of doing the reverse or opposite.

I see your point and kinda of agree with you.

This is 2005, Everyone and there mother have the internet, and can look up any info on anything they want. It's out there if you look for it.

But the internet is made to make our lives easier, thats not how it started, but it is how it is now. I looked up most of what I needed, but I also asked when I coudn't find an answer. Now I say if I know, why not tell someone else, why make them look it up? what point does that sereve? If I know, and can help someone else not have to spend the time to look it up how does that hurt anyone?

I would much rather have someone ask, then to have someone do it wrong, cause when they asked the got smartass replys, but thats just me.

I guess Bighaze... If you want to answer ANYONES question you can do as you please...No ones stopping you at all. But if a person can't buy a $13.99 book on the basic's of ball pythons which includes Housing,feeding,Medical Aspects and Of course breeding then maybe they shouldn't have a snake? I'm a kid and I knew everyone would be fed up with me asking EVERY single question that could be answered in a book so what did I do? I worked, saved up and went to the pet store to buy a book. The Guide to owning a Ball python by John coborn is a GREAT begginers book to read from. So the real question is, is it a matter of making your life easy asking simple questions on message boards or being lazy.

Like I said, I see your point.

I have kept pythons for years, mostly burms and tics, but balls too. I have never read a book on snakes, I learnd by looking up what I need to know, and by asking questions.

Let me ask you this, what is the difference between someone buying a book, or looking up and asking?

Even in your own post you said to ask,
"People need to buy books...Read....Research...Ask questions"

That last part you even say to ask, isn't that just what he/she is doing now?

you've already tried to learn on your own and can't figure it out... If the guy who originally posted asked "Does anyone know the correct age/size male and female ball pythons need to be?" in his subject and at least added in his message "I've looked everywhere and different sites give different information, I just wanted to see what everyone elses thoughts were"... When you get information from books, sites, magazines, etc., the information can be different from place to place, that is when it's a great time to ask personal experience.. But in the case of size and age, it's pretty clear across the board with a few small exceptions.. Oh well, I'm done with this now..
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Joe Lydon

i think if you cant look over someone asking a question, whatever it may be, on a FORUM/MESSAGE BOARD, dont come here. Yeah maybe it was a "bad question" but it is only "wasting" your time because YOU clicked on it, quit crying about it. Maybe he just worded it differently than he meant it, maybe a million things that you cannot even comprehend. Just because you did it one way, doesnt mean you are right or that is the only way to do it.

I'de like to add to that too

You want them to read up on snakes, so write something down that they can read or are you too lazy to do that?

It's just ball pythons, give the guy/gal a break.

steve

True, but if people don't care enough to do some research on their own to find out things that are readilly available on NERD, Grazziani, RDR and other big and reputable breeders websites as well as all the articles that are out there, all found by doing a search on "Ball Pythons" than they probably don't care much for the snakes themselves. Just my opin though.
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1.1 Balls (1.0 het clown 0.1 normal)
1.1 Kittys and
0.1 WC Human
"I need evaluation...and dinner; and by dinner I don't meen gnome heads!"

so point them toward one of those sites there is never a need for reprimaning someone on a site like this you are just running off inocent people.

It's always the same man, why don't you just not answer these adds then, if you know that's all they want. YOU are waisting YOUR time if anything, not the other person.

Money talk flies around here on a daily basis, so picking on one person isn't quite right. Do you think that the BIG breders who are respected and loved are in this for the love of the snakes?

steve

I have been keeping snakes for years and am now getting into the Balls. I totally agree you should doo all of your homework and be sure you know what your doing before you even think about a snake, let alone do an impules buy at a show and have a little snake with no home to put him into. But on the FLip side, Most of the Books out there give you jsut enough information to make you think you know what your doing. The Forums are a great place to get Info, but after a while Old information gets dropped off and the people that have been reading the forums for years (myself included) forget that and are like (SEARCH THE FORUMS AND STOP BEING LAZY) when in all actuality the answer probably isnt there. (and I'm not talking about this question, just questions in general) I mean, is it REALLY a big deal? 2 lines is all it takes... short sweet to the point. If you dont want to answer, Dont... read on, but if you have time to post a wise ass comment, you obviously have time to post the answer. It really isnt worth getting all worked up over. Jeez..

... these forums here only go back to the 10th of October... msot people only search through the pages available here.

The archives go back years. All you have to do is click search archives instead of search current.
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Nita Hamilton
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Ball Pythons
ballpythonworld.com

Thats why i said the forums here and not in a search. I know that they go back farther, but most new people dont search the archives.... they search what is active here. That is all i had said.... so i'm not wrong in my statement

cuts straight to the point and asks questions of breeding, obviously without even having experience in ball pythons.. The only thing that raised a flag to me was the fact it was posted in both forums.. I took it as him making an investment decision, "Hmmmm, what should I try and make money off of, ball pythons, or boas?". To me it doesn't even sound like he owns either of the two and was trying to figure out which would return faster. If I only saw this question on one of the forums, I most likely would have answered it. It's the fact he was trying to get information on both that makes me think it's money motivated, which is fine, but I'm not gonna promote someone to do it "only for the money". The reason I told him not to quit his day job is one simple fact, if he can't find an answer to an easy question like that, he's not going to get very far..
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Joe Lydon

"The reason I told him not to quit his day job is one simple fact, if he can't find an answer to an easy question like that, he's not going to get very far.."

...ain't that the truth.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

I've read some of the posts below, and I know I'm not going to change anyones mind. Give some thought to the following:

1) Not everyone has reptiles because they "love" them. They are a commodity and worth quite a bit of money to the people who DO love them. Supply and demand. If someone wants to breed balls, what better place to get some info from people who are breeding them than the "Ball Python Breeding Issues" forum.

2) People are social animals. Why spend hours alone researching something by yourself when you can join in a conversation of your peers and have a dynamic discussion? People learn better by doing than by reading, and people make mistakes and can learn from other's and hopefully avoid some of the more detrimental problems.

3)Chris61988kb - Don't let negatively outspoken people deter you from whatever it is you are looking to do. "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds".

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1.1 Ball Python 1.1 corn snake 1.0 Bearded Dragon 1.0 Solomon Island Boas 0.0.2 fish 1.2 cats 3.1 kids 1.0 husband

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Vince Pramuk
Vince Pramuk Reptiles

Ill have a toast to that

Cheers

Dear Kingsnakers,
I'm wanting to get rich quick using bald pythons. I've never had a pet before, let alone a bald python, but It looks like balds are a good way to make a living. Would someone with a lot of snakes be willing to loan me several different morfs? When i make my money, i'll pay you back. I'm also looking at doing some crazy things like crossing bald pythons with some garter snakes. I have those in my yard, so they are readily available. Thank you, and can you also send me information on what size shoe box would be best to keep them in? I have some that my boots came in and I also have some my sister's sandals came in.
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

Yeah,and can i keep them in my car?...cause my mom don't want them in the house.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

np
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

I think the poor person who asked this question is never going to come here again, I for one hope he stays.

This has got out of control, I say get off your high horses people and get your feet back on planet earth.

I bet if he/she was buying from you, you'de be very helpful hey.....

steve