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............... PICS inside of an Albino boa.......

ajfreptiles Nov 03, 2005 12:43 PM

This Albino is a June 04' Albino I got from Jeff Ronne. She was very plain really when I got her, and I fully expected her to become a banana. I love the Albino's so I was not concerned with it at all. As she started growing and shedding,....I really beieve she is turning into a Coral. Instead the Reds are bursting through as she grows!
It will really be cool to watch her grow now even more!

I don't know how the pics will show up for everyone, it seems very hard to actually capture the red on my camera.

This pic is taken by Jeff Ronne,...notice eye color then...

This is her now,...look at eyes....

Now just some more pics I took....

Let me know what you think....?

Thanks Andy Federico

AJF Reptiles

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AJF Reptiles

Replies (8)

sonoranreptile Nov 03, 2005 12:47 PM

What a difference a few months make! She is getting alot of color. I would not be surprised if she is a coral or some offshoot of one of Ronne's pastel projects. Keep us updated as she grows, I really hope she turns out to be coral or "pastelish". Take care.
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Derek Roberts
Sonoran Reptile Breeders
sonoranreptile@cox.net
"I remember the first war, the way the sky burned
The faces of angels destroyed
I saw a third of Heaven's legion banished
And the creation of hell
I stood with my brothers and watched lucifer fall
But now, my brothers aren't my brothers" -- Zao

Randall_Turner Nov 03, 2005 01:29 PM

With the high color normals and his pastels he uses I would imagine it is due to those lines he is working with. If you have higher quality "normal" stock it helps make everything you produce that much more clean and colorful.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
www.aircapitalconstrictors.com.

Locolizard Nov 03, 2005 03:05 PM

Here is a coral albino that is only a few months old and it already is showing a ton of coral, This is a product of the Burkes. Thanks Tom!

ajfreptiles Nov 03, 2005 04:22 PM

Hey Mark, that one you posted... you can sure see it's a Coral. Then again, the Burke's line has some extreme red in all their animals so I would say that to be an un-fair comparison...LOL.

I am only pointing out that this girl is making some drastic changes, and turning out some wild red colors lately.

It was Pete Kahl himself who said if your albino Corals up red... head and all it is a Coral. I know people don't like to hear that, but he started that line.

My girl is only 20 months old and now the color is really coming in. I would think if this keeps up this way she would be alot redder in another year.

Thanks Andy

Locolizard Nov 03, 2005 05:16 PM

Hey Andy,

I am not trying to say your albino isnt nice, and colorful, but not nearly coral. I have an albino that is extremely colorful and well, just look at her head, and I dont call her a coral, even though she has produced coral sunglows.
Albino female 01' Produced by Jeff Ronne from hets produced from the original breedings by Miles & Kahl.



Here is a picture of a couple of her coral kids.

Male 04 Coral Sunglow


Female 04 Coral Sunglow - i consider her to be borderline Coral

I dont mean to discourage or anything, its just becoming all to common in the classifieds and forums all over for people to call animals coral that are not.

Thanks,
Mark

ajfreptiles Nov 03, 2005 06:12 PM

Hey Mark, it's all good...my friend....

That girl you have should most certainly be called a Coral. Think about all the albino's you have seen....do they have heads like that? I think you are under-rateing her.

What determines your standard for Corals..?

She looks great and those pics of her off-spring are awesome!

I hope mine looks that good later on....

Andy

topnotchboas Nov 03, 2005 06:18 PM

that subjectiveness plays a crucial role in this. Unfortunately, P.Kahl has not defined the exact characteristics that deems an albino coral or not. Exactly how much coloration? Does it have to have head color? Does it have to be a certain type of color?

All we can do is look at the examples that Pete has sold and make our own subjective opinions from there. I am now confident that coral albinos are not a bloodline, but a phenotype (ie a certain look). If it were a bloodline (such as monstertail hypos or jungle boas for example, one being a polygenic phenotype the other a single gene mutation) then no one would be able to call their boa coral, regardless of how it looked... they would have to be able to trace the lineage back to the coral bloodline. But, its a "look", not a bloodline. In this regard, some may argue "Well, the original corals spawned from one of the original breedings", as if all Kahl albinos out there descended from this original pairing. That is not the case, the original male(s?) were placed with multiple females producing offspring... ONE of the het albinos from that pairing is where corals are said to have derived from.

Ironicly, Mark and I went back and forth in this issue a ways back and pretty much hashed out all the details, I'm sure Mark remembers .

So coral is subjective. Just like pastels are subjective. Pastel is defined by a reduction of black, how much reduction in black? You decide. It varies opinion to opinion. It's the same with corals. Until Pete defines some parameters narrowing it down, thats how it will be.

Having said that, I do not believe Andy's albino is a coral. It has some body coloration, yes. But not near enough to be deemed coral in my subjective opinion.

sonoranreptile Nov 04, 2005 09:20 AM

...but it would seem to me if your boa develops RED coloration as it matures (not sure how much red defines a Coral)then you might consider that it may be a Coral. Just my opinion as I do not have an albino with any red. 'Jealous'...LOL!
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Derek Roberts
Sonoran Reptile Breeders
sonoranreptile@cox.net
"I remember the first war, the way the sky burned
The faces of angels destroyed
I saw a third of Heaven's legion banished
And the creation of hell
I stood with my brothers and watched lucifer fall
But now, my brothers aren't my brothers" -- Zao

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