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I just wanted to say that i am getting another corn hopefully tommorow, at a local trustworthy pet store, the only thing is they are getting a amel, snow and, a "christmas"? in. Is christmas phase even real, or do you think they meant candy cane? Most likely i will get that newborn if it is a candy cane, or if the Amel is good looking, like the last one they had, had some of the greatest patterns ever, but they sold it. So i just wanted to tell everyone my great news, ill post pictures soon as i can. What do you think they meant by christmas corn? i think candy cane.
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

Hows it going candb? LoL I think that they mean candy cane also or creamsicle. Funny they call them christmas corns though, now if it was red,white and GREEN that would be a christmas corn. How much are they? Been thinking about getting another corn if I can't get a simple normal BP, which by the way are HARDER to find than the other morphs (go figure).

They said they are between $35-$45, 45 seems pretty good for a candy cane, i cant wait to go check them out tommorow.
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

I say you should stick with corn snakes, there such amazing snakes.
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

could have also possibly meant a pink and green snow....? Christmas corn is not a REAL morph. People make up whatever names they want to try and sell them . Good luck with whatever you decide.
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0.1 Snow Corn "Hope"
1.0 Redtail "Kilo"
1.0 Ball Python "Wilson" (Castaway)
1. Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Chunk" (Goonies)
.1 Orange Albino Black Ratsnake "Peaches"

like the cross between pueblan milks and corns, and sinaloans with them. They have gophers crossing with them now. Its crazy. There all really nice looking but i dont know,I rather just have a pure corn, no hybrid
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

Shhhhhh LoL we don't want ANOTHER war about hybrids and such. Thats a great price for some candy canes, I would just wait for them to get the "christmas" corns and see what they look like just to be sure. How many corns do you have now? Planning to breed any next year? LoL I wish I could stick with only one species but I want all species, kings,milks,corns,pythons,boas, all of pituophis family, I want them all. My take on hybrids? They are freaky looking snakes but some are infact beautiful.

I guess you didnt understand me, when i said they cost 35-45 i was assuming the "christmas corns" were the candy cane corns. So they are getting the "christmas" in tommorow, hopefully it will be a candy cane. But if they are not i will be fine with that, as long as its a nice looking corn.
I have two corns now, but i have had more in the past and they are both males so i dont plan on breeding yet, i want to in the future though.
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

Yea I understood, Maybe I worded something wrong, Heads all mixed up after studying lol. I meant thats a good price for "christmas corns" assuming they were candy canes and not something else. Hopefully you get what you want or something better. Pet stores here charge 70 bucks for normal california kings and 75 for a pueblan milk so thats why I'm an online buyer now.

I have seen some specie crosses and some are pretty, some are not. The issue is that it's easy to mix species and end up with some snakes that look much like to the pure stock. Then when you sell them and the next owner sells them and then I buy a cornsnake online to add to my breeding projects only to later find out years later that my screwy results are caused by some rat or king blood that are now in my line and I wasted two years on that part of the project. (Now that's an example and why more serious breeders frown on crosses)

Rick
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. (Now that's an example and why more serious breeders frown on crosses)
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>>Rick
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I hate to tell you this but some of the most prolific breeders either do or have worked with "hybrids".
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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I hate them.Period....lol..Paul
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Taste like chicken

"Why" and what snakes do you keep..

Paul..

Pueblan x Corn

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Pinky's taste nice,only if there fresh..

Now ya gotta admit this is a nice looking snake. Love those colors...

>>Now ya gotta admit this is a nice looking snake. Love those colors.
To me the original unmorphed corn,natural colors,is one of the best color schemes Mother Nature can throw at us.
For some strange reason you can buy them in bulk for 10 bucks a pop...Paul

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Taste like chicken

You just make it hard as hell to call you my friend sometimes...LOL
You know me and my creamsicles and cinnamons.
Oh well, at5 least I will never represent them as anything other then what they are.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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>>You just make it hard as hell to call you my friend sometimes...LOL
>>You know me and my creamsicles and cinnamons.
>>Oh well, at5 least I will never represent them as anything other then what they are.
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>>Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
>>"resistance is futile"
>>Jimmy (draybar)
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>> Draybars Snakes
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Jimmy,
I respect you and your opinions.My opinions differ sometimes from yours.I wont say your cinnamins didnt catch my eye or sorta make me drool..
I will say I cant stand snakes that look like alternative Christmas decorations for the Helen Keller school for the criminaly insane.
There are so many cool snakes and morphs out there I just cant see a reason for it.....Paul

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Taste like chicken

Calling a hybrid where one parent is a cornsnake a cornsnake is almost legitimizing it. Think about it: why is ait a creamsicle corn and not a creamsicle ratsnake, or a jungle corn and not a jungle king, etc? It is because people are trying to influence our thoughts via words to think they are nothing more than cornsnakes while ignoring the hybrid stigmata.

THAT'S what I think about those things.
KJ

Back when the first creamsicles were produced, most hobbyists considered emoryi just a subspecies of corn. And hybrids were not nearly so controversial as they are now. So it seemed very natural to call them creamsicle corns. I did not produce the first ones, but went along with the name because it seemed like a good, descriptive name.

Also, it seems more natural to call the hybrid a jungle corn than a jungle king because it is the corns that are so heavily hybridized with practically everything, not the kings. So whether it is mixed with milk, king, or gopher snake, the common denominator is corn.

I think that is more of a reason for the names rather than an intent to deceive anyone.

Before reading further, this isn't an attack on ANYONE nor is it an attempt to prove ME right or anyone else wrong. It is just a further explaination of my thoughts....

>>Back when the first creamsicles were produced, most hobbyists considered emoryi just a subspecies of corn.

So why not a creamsicle RAT instead of a creamsicle CORN since tyhey were subspecies? See the problem I find with that logic?

>>Also, it seems more natural to call the hybrid a jungle corn than a jungle king because it is the corns that are so heavily hybridized with practically everything, not the kings. So whether it is mixed with milk, king, or gopher snake, the common denominator is corn.
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>>I think that is more of a reason for the names rather than an intent to deceive anyone.

You are correct IMO, BUT that is because corns are the DUMPING ground for hybrids, etc. ....or at least the captive corn gene pool is the hybrid dumping ground now. Why? because of the names and what that subconsciously does to the way people think. Hyrbids with corns are called corns, so they are corns.... That's what is going on in too many people's minds probably without them even knowing it. Your reasoning just explains why they are the dumping ground. I wasn't denying that.

If they were called creamsicle hybrids or jungle hybrids or ..... wouldn't that make you think differently than calling them corns does? Of course - that is how humans are effected by language even though MOST of us don't realize it.

A good example is to look at words like incest, child molesting, and rape. Which one sounds most violent, etc? To me, RAPE has the most violent connotations, but it may not be physically violent at all. Heck, if you "rape" a young child it is molestation (but rape on an adult) unless they are kin to you in which it is called incest by some. Same ACT, but has different connotations depending on the term used. How often do you ehear of someone molesting an adult? it is rare, because it is called rape then.

For this reason above, I very seldom use the terms molest or incest. It is ALL rape. Rape of a woman, rape of a child, rape of a kin, etc. It is the worst sounding term because the action is horrible. The sentence should be based on the act and not the name, too. Calling them all rape effects what people thinks. (Who would you despise most: someone that RAPED a child or someone that molested a child - even if the actions were identical?) I'm not making any comparison between rape and hybridization because thay is an OT argument.

In that manner, calling it a creamsicle hybrid instead of a creamsicle corn is the same story.

What would sell better: a creamsicle corn or a creamsicle hybrid or a creamsicle rat, a jungle corn or a jungle hybrid or jungle king, or.... The name CORN sells it because people LIKE to own corns often more than hybrids even if they don't have anything AGAINST hybrids. How much of THAT has to do with the naming of a hybrid than ANY attempt to NOT mislead? (Note: misleading is wrong, but many people still don't go out of their way to LEAD someone to the truth, either.....)

Anyway, fun topic....
KJ

>>Calling a hybrid where one parent is a cornsnake a cornsnake is almost legitimizing it. Think about it: why is ait a creamsicle corn and not a creamsicle ratsnake, or a jungle corn and not a jungle king, etc? It is because people are trying to influence our thoughts via words to think they are nothing more than cornsnakes while ignoring the hybrid stigmata.
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>>THAT'S what I think about those things.
>>KJ

KJ, I know you and I have had our disagreements but in this case I will have to agree with you 100%.
It should be creamsicle not creamsicle corn. Or Rootbeer and not rootbeer corn... etc.
And I can remember times when I have made that exact mistake.
Call it lazy call it sloppy. Either way it was wrong. Although I have never done it to intentionally mislead or misrepresent, I know corn should never be added to the end of any mix.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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Christmas corn snakes are indeed real. They are a new form of hypo cornsnake. The lightened pigment has a greenish tint. Thus "Christmas Corn".

Google for "Christmas Cornsnake" for more info.

Rick
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The Tegu Community - theTegu.com

now they have been outcrossed a lot and often do not have any green - depends on the bloodline. See page 168 in the Comp. Owner's Guide for a photo of one. Of course, not all will look just like that.

Thanks, i didnt know that it was considered a morph, so if it is what does there normal going price go for?, because this one is only $45
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

I just googled christmas corn and i didnt find anything at all, there are no pictures or any information on them. Do you happen to have a picture of one Kathy, or anyone else? Thanks.
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

I saw a picture somewhere, perhaps it was in Kathy Love's book. I will try to find it and let you know.
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1.2 Ghost Corns, Beetlejuice, Casper and Spooky
1.1 Charcoal het pewter, Smokey and Flame
1.1 Hypo het lavender, Rosy and Rocko
1.0 Anery, Goku
0.1 Amel, Sunny
2.0 Tabby Cats, Daddycat and his son Brat
0.1 Australian Shepherd, Angel

Gypsy

Christmas corns have been used to describe a hypo-ish-like normal corn from an island off of the east coast, pink-and-green snows, pink-and-green amels, and hybrid albino coprnsXrats (like the bubblegum rats). So, it may be just about anything....

BTW, many of those same morphs have been called kleidescope corns by some people.

Could they have just ment the christmas supply? Not the actual breed/morh but the "christmas shipment?" Maybe they just weren't being very clear on that LOL. Anyway....let us know what you find out and decide!

Just looked at some on pg 168 and they look like normals. Serriously I know kathy said that most will be variable on color but they dont look that special, still good looking corns however. Wonder if candb saw any of them today at the pet store. Maybe we can set a whole new line, Hannukkah (sp?) Corns anyone?

Well something came up and i couldnt get the corn, but the "christmas corn" is like a normal corn, but where the black outlines on the blotches are, they are forest green instead of black. It was a very nice looking snake and had no temper what so ever. Would have been a nice snake to get.
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1.0 Albino Corn "Lucky"
1.0 Snow Corn "Snow"
0.0.4 Southern Ringneck "Collar", "Bc", "Lazy", "Biggie"
1.0 Green Amevia "Gizard"

Thanks for updating cand, the others were right as usual, and the pet store knew what they were talking about so I guess it really is a good source for herps.