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Would a mini-refridgerator or mini-wine fridge work well for an incubator?

JDalbo Nov 05, 2005 12:33 PM

I noticed alot of people saying a regular refrigerator customized would work well for an incubator. Would the smaller sized refrigerators work as well. I don't have the space for a full size fridge, but I saw home depot has some small ones (around 3 feet high) for around $100, with glass doors. Any help would be appreciated. This is my first year breeding and I'm kind of stumped on which way to incubate.

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0.0.1 "Aru" Green tree python
0.0.1 "Wamena" Green tree python
1.0 Albino ball python
0.1 100% het Albino ball python
0.1 Normal ball python
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Leucistic Texas ratsnake
1.0 Albino cornsnake
0.0.1 Snow cornsnake
0.0.1 Albino Striped California King

Replies (19)

panhead Nov 05, 2005 02:51 PM

I believe a "mini" fridge would work as long as you don't overdo it with the heat source. But you may want to check a "good will" type store or an appliance store for a dented or scratched unit. No sense in paying full price for a new working unit if your just going to "gut it". You may also want to check into a large picnic cooler if your space is limited.
Bruce Delles c/o Twin Cities Reptiles
CELEBRATING OUR 27TH YEAR IN THE RETAIL REPTILE BUSINESS

snakebstr Nov 05, 2005 08:09 PM

here is my home made incubator. I hatched all my eggs in this one last season. Thanks David

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)...Man that was a nice one...gone
1.0 Cinnamon Pastel(Bryan Kollwitz)(05)
2.0 Mojave Ball pythons(05)
0.1 Spider Ball(04)(RDR)
1.0 Butterscotch Ghost(04)
1.0 Albino(05)(T. Heuring/bell line)
4.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
1.1 Wild Collected Adult Pastels(Ian G)
2.8 Orange Granites(05)
1.0 Yellow Belly(04)(Ian G)
2.0 Yellow Belly(05)(unproven)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's
13 baby 2005 PASTELS just HATCHED...4-8-05 and 5-10-05 (O left)

joshhutto Nov 05, 2005 11:25 PM

a few quick questions. What kind of heating element is in there? Do you have a fan to circulate the air? How hard was that to wire everything? What kind of temp changes were there if any? It looks to be the perfect size incubator to fit my needs for the next 2-4 yrs and I would be interested in building one almost identical to that one.
Thanks in advance.
Josh Hutto ......... JKReptiles

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1.2 het citrus ghost(gulf coast line)
1.0 citrus ghost (gulf coast line)
0.1 graz pastel female
1.6 05 normal bp's
0.6 04 normal bp's
2.5 adult normal bp's (some need breeding to see if norm)
4 various corns
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa (alan bosch)
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1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
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bpconnection Nov 06, 2005 03:14 PM

There've been a few pics of incubators lately...I'd love to see some more pics of different incubators that people have made that have worked very well.

Also, what have people tried that have failed miserably? Anything you should NOT do?
Jeremy
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

coldthumb Nov 07, 2005 01:01 AM

Hey Jeremy,start looking for a standup freezer at your local retailers and repair shops(good seals over asthetics).Heating it is easy enough.Just buy digital thermometers with probes to keep track of the temps in each eggbox(the min/max recording ones are killer).

...actually,i'm jealous of Davids incubator with the glass door...and may have to break out the saws-all if i can find a good piece of double pane glass.

11 out of 11 hatched last year(my first year)with these eggboxes set up "no substrate" style(will be using smaller ones this year).So i doubt i will ever even try using the vermiculite medium method.


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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

MD45 Nov 07, 2005 03:47 AM

Keep the pictures coming! It’s always useful to see what has (& hasn’t) worked for others.

Coldthumb. Could you and anyone else with experience tell us more about the “no substrate” method? I’ve found information on the net about using this method for chondro eggs, but very little specific to Ball Pythons.

coldthumb Nov 07, 2005 09:35 AM

The thing i liked about the method the most was the fact that the perlite actually floats on the water.So there is this little egg island thing going on in there.Which keeps the eggs from actually touching any water,yet keeps them at 100% humidity.

Oh and i used a Herpstat proportional thermostat to control the heat source.

...so thats how they are hatching gtps?....makes sense.
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

MD45 Nov 07, 2005 01:01 PM

Thanks coldthumb. Great to hear you had success….. Stripping things back to the basics of what conditions you’re trying to provide for the eggs, it would seem a sensible way to go.

I stumbled across the “no substrate” method on the Avey incubator site. They say “After talking to a couple hundred ball python breeders over the last 2 years this is our answer to what they've been asking for. “. The incubator is designed to take 4 of their “Zero Substrate” eggboxes & state that it can hold up to 200 Ball Python eggs using this method!

Despite searching the net reasonably extensively, I’ve been unable to find any accounts of people using this method apart from Chondro Breeders. The fullest description I’ve seen involves, taking it one stage further, using no Perlite. The eggcrate / mesh is supported on short lengths of PVC tube, in a large container. The eggs are then placed in “Deli Cups” on top of the grid. The lid is then placed on the main container.

Anyone else have experience?

bpconnection Nov 07, 2005 12:11 PM

Is that cellophane on the top of one of your boxes? Any reason you used that instead of glass?
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

coldthumb Nov 07, 2005 01:03 PM

That isn't glass in that pic,it was thick acrylic(was just testing,no eggs in it),but the one with the eggs had the lid(that came with the container)along with the plastic wrap to seal it completely.

clear as mud?
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Charles Glaspie

Tanstaafl:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch".
An acronym created by my favorite author Robert A. Heinlein.

bpconnection Nov 07, 2005 07:32 PM

np
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

toshamc Nov 07, 2005 01:49 PM

Here was my incubator - 8 eggs in 8 baby snakes out - no muss no fuss and

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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

bpconnection Nov 07, 2005 07:33 PM

I know this came up a week or so ago...
So do you keep the entire room at 89 degrees and high humidity or something?
Jeremy
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

toshamc Nov 07, 2005 07:51 PM

No just the tub (or cage if thats what you've got them in). It was so easy I'll probably go maternal with my clutches again this year.
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Tosha

"Nihil facimus sed id bene facimus"

7.33.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and gang)
1.0.0 Angolan Python (Anakin Skywalker)
0.0.1 Green Tree Python (Verdi - yeah I know but my kids love the book)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Desert Tortoise (Pope John Paul aka JP )
2.2.1 Fish (1,2,3,4)
0.0.2 frogs rescued from pool skimmer

laney Nov 08, 2005 03:11 AM

Hi

I've been reading this post and was really interested in hearing about the fridge incubators. So please could anyone else with info or pictures about this method please reply. This no substrate way is very interesting!

Thanks
Amanda

bpconnection Nov 08, 2005 10:33 AM

I wrote Dave Barker regarding the differences between VPI's and the Sutherland's incubation methods in their videos. VPI uses large trashcans for containers and SK uses small styrofoam boxes. Here was his response to this and in regards to the refrigerator incubator...Responses?
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All ball pythons eggs need to hatch is temperatures ranging from about 88-91 and very high humidity. They will not tolerate any wetness or dampness.

The smaller the incubation container, the greater the degree of difficulty in hatching the eggs, because the dynamics of high humidity become increasingly complex. If there is not a lot of airspace in the incubation container, then it may be necessary to “breathe” the eggs—however, every time you do that, you let water out of your system. If the incubator is small, you also let cool air into the system, which further acts to condense humidity out of the air. If the system isn’t very big to begin with, then you are gradually drying out your eggs—not good.

You are making a common mistake of many ball python breeders. You shouldn’t try to fit the eggs in a substandard incubator. If what you want to do is hatch ball pythons eggs, (if this is some income-generating project) it makes better sense to put the eggs in the ideal incubation container, and then create the ideal incubator to handle your containers.

Lots of ball python eggs have hatched in refurbished refrigerators. It can be done. But it’s not as easy and the probability that something will go wrong is greater.
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

MD45 Nov 08, 2005 01:16 PM

Mmmmm……. Interesting stuff!

Having watched the two DVD’s and noticed some (relatively) subtle difference in their incubation methods. The most striking thing was the constant….. A walk in Incubator.

VPI did in passing mention that a “closet” could be used & Snakekeeper told us that they had previously used smaller incubators. However neither went into any detail…… I’m now quite confident, that I could replicate their set-ups, should I stumble across an undiscovered spare room. But unfortunately neither DVD left me very clear on how I can best achieve reliable / successful incubation on a modest home breeder scale…… I’ve got to admit that quote takes me no closer to the answer. It does however give the opening Question – “What’s the best container?”

Whilst obviously there are nearly as many different opinions as there are people. There does seem to be a general consensus that an “Iris CB 70” or equivalent 33x17x6in tub makes a suitable home for breeding Balls….. Is there a similar consensus on a suitable incubation container?….. What size does everyone use?

Once you establish what that container is, then it naturally follows that however many of those you need would dictate the size of the incubator. It may well be that a Refrigerator remains a good choice, but, that you should be looking for one twice the size you originally thought!…. Maybe you’ll need two!

Any thought’s ? …… Opinion’s ? …….

bpconnection Nov 08, 2005 03:03 PM

It makes sense that you first find the best container and then you find the incubator that fits. Per VPI, the larger container is the best, and won't need to be aired out.

I just recevied another e-mail from Dave who just suggested that the best options would be to use the larger bins and use a 1-walk-in closet, 2-bathroom, 3-bedroom (and sleep on the couch for 2 months).

While yesterday, I was leaning towards a Fridge, now I'm leaning towards one of my bathrooms.
Jeremy
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Isn't it cooler that serpent's don't walk anymore?
(Genesis 3:14)

MD45 Nov 08, 2005 03:25 PM

Bpconnection……. “Leaning towards one of my bathrooms”. You American’s & your luxury living!!!!

Whilst what Dave is saying makes total sense, I don’t think that I’m practically going to be able to devote a room for incubation. I’ve been continuing to trawl the net & become even more confused when I see things like this:

http://www.lyonelectric.com/rprofir.htm

“Eight powder coated incubating trays 17" X 17" X 3" made out of 1/4" mesh with reinforced covers, provide room for approximately 160 python eggs”

Applying the “larger is better” principle, how can this work ?….. At 2K I assume it does!

I’m considering using a 6ft x 3ft x 2ft ex-shop pepsi type fridge… I notice “constrictors.com” appear to use similar.

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